@taylan https://social.vivaldi.net/@brucelawson/114381581277457751
Hmm, since you seem interested in the topic of "TERF": do you have anything on what's up with those xenophobic people in the picture?
Any connection to the people unhappy with calling trans persons women just imaginary, small subgroup, actual problem of fascist infiltration?
All i got here is "people screaming, little usable information".
@light @taylan Just as i was blocked by cloudflare, islamic law is blocked by local laws.
It's not lawful to rape, who does it is a criminal regardless of confession.
We currently have so many instances of reporting immigrant transgressions while being silent on locals transgressions that i'm still at "the local neonazis are the threat".
@taylan
>Apparently, some members of the Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs in the UK even used some old Islamic teachings to justify their actions.
Where did you hear this?
@admitsWrongIfProven
@taylan @admitsWrongIfProven Are there any sources apart from that? That show has a very stupid name and I think it will alienate people I show it to.
@taylan @admitsWrongIfProven Also it might have a right-wing bias
Firstly, it's pretty much the same logic as:
> Michel Foucault wanted to abolish age of consent laws, and he's considered the father of queer theory. I guess that means all people championing queer theory are pedophiles.
It's just really basic guilt by association. It shouldn't even need to be spelled out why this is faulty logic. I really don't understand why fully grown adults use arguments like this. It's really frustrating, and one of those things that blackpill me about politics. Gives me the feeling that humans are just tribal monkeys doomed to fight each other for eternity, unable to sit down and reflect critically about their own thought processes... But I digress.
Secondly, immigration can of course cause serious problems, and one of them is that a lot of men from ME/NA regions may have elevated levels of sexism in general (relative to Europeans) and a special disdain towards the mythical "western slut" in particular.
Europeans have their own continuing issues with sexism. For example, I could screech for days about how horrible I find the situation with prostitution and pornography. As far as I'm concerned, rape is legal in Germany, so long as the woman is destitute and agrees to be raped in exchange for money. But that's a different topic.
A lot of ME/NA societies haven't had a feminist movement at all, and still suffer from medieval levels of patriarchy. Even Turkey, with one of the most modernized cultures in the region thanks to Kemalist reforms, suffers from this issue to some degree. I'm reminded of an anecdote from my dad: After my mom divorced him, our landlord once told him: "You're such a saint! If my woman left me like that, I'd shoot her in the foot." There's also an old Turkish saying: "You're either mine, or the earth's." Typically uttered by a man "in love" with a woman, expressing the feeling that he would rather kill her than be rejected. Such love.
Then there's the mythical "western slut." Many men from such cultures, being very sexist, often view "their" women as being modest and virtuous, and "western" women as being "loose" and undignified, which to them justifies mistreating those women because "they are asking for it." Again, one should be under no illusion that this kind of sexism doesn't exist among European men at all, but it can take on a more extreme form when this "our dignified women vs. those undignified sluts" mentality is added.
Apparently, some members of the Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs in the UK even used some old Islamic teachings to justify their actions. They have a whole set of rules on how to treat non-Muslim sex slaves. The Old Testament has similar passages, but I don't think many European Christian men would refer to those passages in this day and age to justify child rape. Some cultures on the planet are simply lagging behind when it comes to adopting "Enlightenment" values or whatever you want to call them.
In summary, I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that a woman is xenophobic for worrying about these issues. These topics can be used as a cover for xenophobia and racism, but they can also be legitimate concerns. I don't know the woman who tweeted that thing, so I wouldn't know which applies to her.