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@amszmidt @davidbraze @joonhyeok_ahn

Wow Users like you are like Bigfoot to me. Technically possible but still extremely unlikely.

@freemo @AncientGood How can you claim causation when it does not seem to be anything more than correlation? There was a lot else going on during those gun bans, after all. You may be right, but it's not convincing.

@freemo Although the emancipation proclamation didn't end slavery in the north, the 13th amendment was proposed shortly thereafter and ratified in 1865. I am not much of a historian, but I suspect that Lincoln did not have the authority to end slavery universally without that amendment. In any case Lincoln was a major force behind getting it ratified (it failed once).

On racism and bigotry. Although there is overlap, I think that as a concept bigotry is a broader concept than racism. A racist is always a bigot, but not every bigot is a racist. Despite the fact that people (in your example) are considering a group white trash rednecks, and this sounds racist since there is the word "white" in there, it seems more like bigotry to me. I guess if you allow the concept of racism to include prejudice against any "other" group based on any thing whatsoever, then every such person is a racist. I don't happen to agree. The result can be the same, but I don't think the prejudice comes from the same place, and racism's consequences are generally more persistent.

I understand the idea of southerners being dismissed, I have personal stories in my own southern family about such prejudice, in particular with poor farmer kids being dismissed by the townies as stupid and ignorant. I still don't consider it racism. They weren't prejudiced against because of their whiteness or some other physical characteristic beyond their control, but because they looked and acted like poor farmer kids. When he joined the military, the uniform and training erased all differences in background, and that effect lasted after the service. The blacks of the same era did not get the same benefit, after their military service they were still considered "other" because of their skin color.

@freemo Sikh culture, religion and philosophy has many admirable attributes.

@freemo I won't argue about the southern pride thing, I don't know, but that seems to have a ring of truth in it. but is this statement reasonable?:

"No surprise, as usual the racists are the ones trying to pretend they are the heros vilifying the good ones."

Ignoring the use of the word racist for a second, I would argue that you are running up against the difference in education backgrounds between the north and south. When I first moved to the south, I was shocked to hear that most considered the civil war to be about states rights. I had not heard that before despite my father being from the deep south. I still think it's a bit of a cop out, since they wanted the right to continue a vile tradition, but that is the education that southerners receive, so I have to accept that background.

On the word racist, this doesn't seem accurate, this is more of a bigotry thing. To be clear, northern bigotry against southern battle flag culture. To me racism and bigotry are the same kind of human ignorance, but usually not the same sort of vile associations, so more precision might not cause as many fits.

@dannyman They changed the cover for the tenth anniversary edition, the musk-head version is even more cringe compared to the original.

@carnage4life Exactly how I imagined it tbh

@pwinn .. if you did list them out .. oops

@pwinn Curious, what kind of things are you seeing that you don't like? If you did, maybe someone can suggest another instance that you would like better if such an instance exists.

@ClickHouseCI @xgqt Thanks, I wasn't aware of these issues. I guess I'm fortunate not to have any of them, as I work in an embedded environment (5-10 small repos).

I know it can work with a local git server, that's how we use it, but technically that's still "internet". You can also use a file path source, I use that sometimes for developing related repos, but I'm not sure how useful it would be in general, as there is no version control from the build system, and repeatability becomes a problem. Not sure I understand your use case though.

@ClickHouseCI @xgqt

It's really worth it if you are stuck with CMake, it's certainly not a reason to use CMake. My main point wasn't to sell CMake but to say that having the build system control this stuff is better than git submodules.

@ClickHouseCI @xgqt

Yeah I don't know what those supposed issues are with git submodules, so I can't say. But there are notable differences w/respect to git submodules. One is that the repo population happens at build time instead of repo checkout or update time. And also it's easy to make repos conditional on cmake variables. In addition if for whatever a subtree of your project isn't built (e.g. some optional part), the fetchcontent repos defined in that subtree are not fetched. Also the SHAs or branch names are not hidden away, but are in the same files you use to configure your build (or separate, your choice).

@Pat No

@xgqt personally I haven’t had issues with them. But I will say after having used cmake fetchcontent for awhile that pulling in dependencies with a build system is much more flexible and easier to use.

@freemo @kryptec @unabomber

"Huh? Nothing in this post or the thread is related to his recent career other than one or two minor comments when addressing people claiming he changed."

Sorry I most have gotten confused by the use of the present tense here, this is when the thread became about the present:

"And yes, I too care a lot more about the fact that he is still currently a raging racist, than the fact that he used to be a raging racist."

I'm not going to pick apart your justification of your subjective interpretation of Biden's hiring and his speech patterns. You clearly have made up your mind. I will admit that you made me laugh. Your interpretation is kind of unique, I've never heard anyone claim that someone hiring a majority of minorities must mean he is racist.

But this one really takes the cake:
"He thinks of himself as superior to blacks… clearly if they dont agree with him, and support him, they arent black, cause he knows more about what it means to be black than a black person apparently and they should defer to him or else they cant possibly be black…"

You realize you are reading so much into one silly statement that it is completely ludicrous, right? This one statement tells me you have lost all reason on the man. If nothing else, think on your statement a while, maybe you will see what I mean.

"I mean if thats what you want to call segregation… Funny thing is we have history to know without a doubt this is flat out wrong. Bussing went through without out him… and guess what, it was a success as is obvious by the fact that now all schools have been integrated."

Lol, US schools are not that integrated. It's not hard to find statistics saying so. Oh sure it's probably better than it was, but no where near racially diverse in most areas.

"Ahh now your bias really shows. The fact that you think talking about some other group of people being racists somehow belongs in argument about Biden’s racism is extremely telling that you are seeking nonsensical scapecoats. Anyone with a lick of reason in this would know that another group or persons racism in no way effects if Biden is racist or not… that fact you tried to play that card shows you, far more than me, have abandoned reason and instead are just grasping at straws."

This is a fair point, it's not about the right's racism. I was trying to make a point about the social programs that Biden has and does support.

"Look he is a liar and has exploited black people. He did it so people would defend him when called a racist and ultimately win the election. The exploitation and manipulation has worked on you, exactly the way he has wanted it, despite the obvious facts staring you int he face.. It is what it is."

Calling a politician a liar is redundant. I don't watch much media, so I doubt he is manipulating me in any way. I just look at what he supports and his actions. If his actions are positive to society, I don't care if he's doing it to be successful as a politician, or if he really cares deeply. I don't know what he is gaining by such alleged exploitation though. He should be retired and playing golf. He has enough money. He is not trying to upend democracy and become a dictator, so there is no upside as far as power goes. Why do you think he is trying to exploit our gullibility and support social programs like fair housing and other public-good things even though he (according to you) thinks like a raging racist?

@freemo @kryptec @unabomber

Welp, I wanted to leave this, but here's what I see from my point of view. You haven't presented any thing other than your subjective and biased evaluation of Biden's more recent career. Where are the facts you are using to decide this? You base everything on his early career and your entirely biased impression of his behavior. What the fuck is this "daddy biden" bullshit? This is not a fact, this is something you made up. You can decide a lot of things about a person if you assume, it doesn't make them correct or even reasonable. In fact you are not using reason at all.

However, objectively, he has demonstrated that indeed he is not a "raging racist" as you insist, but a pragmatic politician who supports social programs that would actually make a difference in society. Measured against some in the right who actively work to destroy such programs, I think it's not hard to see where the racism lies.

I'm saying this as someone who would prefer someone else, didn't vote for him in the primary, and thought he was not the best candidate by far. But "raging racist"? That's a bit rich considering what actual raging racists do.

@freemo @kryptec @unabomber I just don’t see that. At all. No problem we disagree have a nice day.