I don't often bring up domain blocks, but if you're running your own server, you might want to block the domain 10minutepleroma.com, the potential for spam and abuse is immense.

I was accused of "fearmongering about abuse that doesn't exist" because apparently conceptually, the precedent of disposable e-mail providers is not enough. Well, here's how I learned about this tool!

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@Gargron Man, sorry that you have to deal with so much drama. Personally I understand your fears and while I might generally side with people who want to wait till a problem arises to fix it, well, the truth is I see no protections on the part of that service to be preventive at addressing the problem. If they had made some effort, any effort, to help minimize abuse I might be more likely to side with other people on this. But as it stands right now its hard for me to see how this wont be abused.

@freemo @Gargron That “service” is merely a tech demo if you cared to look into further context. If you’re really oh-so concerned about spam sorts of abuse, CAPTCHA is enabled by default on the registration part for those Pleroma instances generated.

@seanking

Since it is only a tech demo then there would be no harm in blocking it huh? Lets not forget, even if those who host the service have no ill will and have every intention of it being a tech demo and nothing more, that really doesnt change anything about the fact that it both can and has been used for spam/abuse and ban evasion. so its really not much of a counter argument either.

@Gargron

@freemo @Gargron Even then, blocking that tech demo site is a pretty stupid idea. I wouldn’t block your instance just because you had a few spam bots from there. I would only do that if you actively encouraged it.

Additionally, the source code is available to the public: https://gitlab.com/tribes-host/10minutepleroma

So, even if you tried to block all *.10minutepleroma.com subdomains, someone can just take the source code and start it on another domain. It’s not worth the stress and effort just because “Oh dear it could be used for spam”. If you are so concerned that you cannot sleep because 10-Minute Pleroma exists, consider trying to unplug the internet entirely (which of course, good luck with not getting backlashed at for it).

@seanking

Not "Oh dear it could be used for spam".. it already has and is actively used for spam.

While normally I might agree with you on a normal instance that blocks shouldnt be the first answer especially if it is not sanctioned by the moderator of an instance... But in this case your response really makes no sense...

The instance is already being used to spam, there is no moderation for anyone to look to for solutions. It seems not just reasonable but responsible that if a instance is actively spam and there is no moderation to give any indication that there will be a solution from its care takers then blocking said instance is very much the expected response.

As you pointed it out, its a tech demo and not a real service, so what is it your even complaining or bothered about, who the hell cares if someone blocks a tech demo and it makes no sense you'd act all uppity about the fact that someone has.

Sure other people could of course replicate the site, and when that happens and you start getting spam from them too you are welcome to block them.

@Gargron

@freemo @Gargron > it makes no sense you’d act all uppity

Interesting that you’d accuse me of acting all uppity when you, Gargron, and others on the Mastodon side of the fediverse are the ones who got all triggered about the tech demo just because of one person.

@seanking

No one was triggered. Gargron saw an instance that was engaging in ban evasion that had no moderation to address the issue and banned them, he let people know. That was the end of the story. You are the only one who engaged in condescending language to then berate that decision and anyone who provided support to it.

@Gargron

@freemo @Gargron He’s acting up about a service because one user used it for a purpose you guys didn’t like. I used it. And you know what I used for? Some silly shitposts based on Eric Andre’s “Bird Up!” segments. Consider that maybe I’m condemning Gargron’s decision because it is absolute, blatant fearmongering at its finest. And maybe you’re too gullible to see through Gargron’s bullshit.

@seanking

You are the only one going around calling people gulliable and attacking them for blocking a tech demo... say it slowly a... tech... demo.... It is not an instance, its purpose is to be a tech demo, no one is harmed by blocking it.

The fact that you or anyone could and have used it responsibly is irrelevant.

Going off on people because they reject packets from open spam relays is like going off on someone blocking spam calls on their phone.

Considering you are acting the way you are over how someone has responded to a tech demo means the whole "oh your gullible for listening to gargron over me" nonsense isnt going to go far.

@Gargron

@freemo @Gargron > The fact that you or anyone could and have used it responsibly is irrelevant.

Nice guilt-by-association, sweetheart.

gulliable

So, you’re so mad at me for disagreeing with you, you can’t even spell gullible properly.

Going off on people because they reject packets from open spam relays is like going off on someone blocking spam calls on their phone.

Love the false comparisons. You’re blocking a tech demo, which is just a waste of time and resources.

@Gargron @freemo Oh, I’m sorry that other people found my joke account @gargron mocking you hilarious. Perhaps, you should consider maybe switching careers since you claim to advocate for a decentralized internet yet are so uptight with domain restrictions and have previously banned me and others for the stupidest reasons ever in the past.

@seanking

Nice guilt-by-association, sweetheart.

You need to work on those reading comprehension skills there buddy. No one said you were guilty by association. Nor does the quote you used make any sense. No one said anyone was guilty of anything.

So, you’re so mad at me

No, I am not mad at you. I think you are acting like a child in the way your speaking to people, but no I’m not mad at you.

You’re blocking a tech demo, which is just a waste of time and resources

Who cares, it takes about 3 seconds to block something. Far far less time and resources than you’ve already made me waste responding to you or that you wasted trolling people on this thread.

@Gargron

@freemo @Gargron Clearly, you aren’t willing to look further into the context of what 10minutepleroma.com is and why it was created by @alex What makes it so wrong that I’m calling you out on your bullshit?

@seanking

Its a 10 minute tech demo, it states pretty clearly what its purpose is. I have absolutely no issue with Alex hosting the service or it existing, it serves the purpose of demoing pleroma and that's great.

But its nature is, as you already agreed, as a tech demo. Blocking it from production servers therefore does no harm and in no way prevents it from accomplishing its purpose.

@Gargron @alex

@freemo @Gargron @alex It’s still fearmongering because of one person who used the demo in a certain way. Whatever if you want to follow in stupid’s footsteps. But it’s not gonna make Qoto or Mastodon(dot)socials’ reputation look any better.

@seanking

"I was spammed by X, im going to block them" is pretty laughable to claim as fear mongering..

though you know what is fear mongering... making a big deal about someone blocking a tech demo...

@Gargron @alex

@freemo @Gargron @alex You were spammed by one instance out of several others. It’s like blocking an entire bunch of good apples because of one bad apple. How the fuck is this not fearmongering, which Gargron clearly has a pattern of doing.

@seanking

What are you like 8 years old...

No QOTO wont be blocking the instance until they spam us and then we will worry about it. But man you are acting the fool right now.

@Gargron @alex

@freemo @Gargron @alex The real 8 year old you should be considered about is Gargron. He has a constant pattern of not working with others on a common goal for the stupidest reasons. I’m glad you’re not gonna block 10minutepleroma.com. I just want you to understand why I absolutely disagree with Gargron’s blatant fearmongering.

@seanking @alex@gleasonator.com @freemo Hey, mind showing that pattern actually? Let’s see the receipts

@seanking

Any personality flaws gargron may or may not have, which is a side discussion at best, doesnt really change how **you** will be viewed. You are acting like an 8 year old during this discussion, whether Gargron is immature or not does nothing to change that fact and therefore need not be addressed in this context.

@Gargron @alex

@freemo @Gargron @alex I get that I may have made some mistakes. For please for the love of God, just understand why I disagree with Gargron, okay? If we can leave this conversation being on peaceful terms, great.

@seanking Making it look pretty fucking solid actually. Taking down spam relays quickly is how you make a functioning service.

Hosting a ban evasion service for nazi shitheads is how you fill a community with nazi shitheads and ruin it for everyone.

Consider not doing that. Consider actually trying to make something that is a good.

@WAHa_06x36 Here’s the thing though. Just because one bad apple uses it doesn’t mean all the other apples are bad. How would you feel if I called Mastodon (dot) social a service for communists just because of the viewpoints that some on that site hold? It’s not Alex’s fault that the one person used it for that one reason. Enough of your guilt-by-association bullshit.

@seanking You know what the full saying you're using there is? "One bad apple spoils the bunch". The saying is, if you spot a bad apple, you had better do your best to get rid of it, and do it quick, or the rot will spread.

I'm not seeing anyone here doing even a single thing to stop that rot. In fact, I see the creator of the site cheering the rot on. That means the rot wasn't that one guy. It comes straight from the top, and cutting it off completely is 100% the only good decision.

@WAHa_06x36 So, when will we see all the extremist Antifa dickheads knocked off your side of the fediverse? Until then, Gargron’s an extremist that should be blocked.

See the problem?

@seanking If you want to be a far-right moron, go right ahead. I could not give less of a shit.

@WAHa_06x36 I’m not even far-right, asshole. Not everyone who disagrees with you is far-right. Get that into your thin skull of a brain, will you?

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@seanking @WAHa_06x36 they are and should be kicked off the network by eugan's standers
@seanking @freemo @Gargron Speaking of bird up, this is probably my favorite thing to come out of that meme. It never fails to make me laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HO49tia1pc

@freemo @Gargron Das Problem überall in Europa ist es zu viel Links und nicht jeder möchte diesen Wahnsinn mittragen. Es werden etliches Rebellieren. Da es nicht sein kann das ganze kulturelle Zweige kaputt gemacht werden. Den es trifft jetzt schon zu was passiert und Corona ist erst der Anfang. Deutschland war Ruhe aber wartet mal ab was noch dieses Jahr spätestens Anfang nächsten Jahre hier los wird. Das hier sind nur am Rande Idioten die einen Account sich angelegt haben. Doch das ist nichts

@freemo @Gargron Das schlimme wird wohl ab nächtes jahr losgehen. Wo ich Ihnen Recht geben muss Freemo die es wirklich gut meinen mit Ihren Visionen und die gut sind ,ist so einer wie Eugen und andere. Die eigentlich nichts dafür können nein im Gegenteil sie versuchen mit Ihren Ansichten etwas an dem Zustand noch zu verbessern. Da hilft in Deutschland kein Netz DG oder die DSVGO ., wenn man dann sowas hier lesen muss.
matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/com . Nein es muss sich in allem was ändern.

@carrabelloy

Its hard for me to understand everything you said as I relied on a translator. But I'm not sure I agree that the worst of this sort of racism and abuse is yet to come.. Don't get me wrong I dont deny its existence and am all for doing what we can to make sure racism doesn't perpetuate. but I do feel over time the racism has been decreasing not increasing, and I'd say that has been true in recent times as well.

@Gargron

@freemo @carrabelloy @Gargron

"Racism" has been forced out of the public eye

This has just legitimized benevolent xenophobia in the eyes of most people

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2020/03/benevolent-xenophobia/

@amerika @Gargron @freemo That has nothing to do with cultural strangeness, if you want to tell me how the left ticks in politics Islam belongs to Germany. No, he doesn't belong. We are Christian occidental and it should stay that way. This Mrs. Merkel, our Chancellor, destroyed our country. And now it's going to get bad. They mean everything through our public service media. And all the left press. They will all be amazed. It won't be a piece of cake for the old parties next year

@amerika @Gargron @freemo Many Germans shut up, but now it's over. Whether Brussels or Berlin. Even the Dutch don't want this lobbyist stronghold in Brussels. Because the western countries like Holland Belgium Germany Austria, which no longer want it that way, destroy land and hardly have any money to stay alive and taxes are getting higher and higher. How long do you believe a people that still participates. Immigration to our country is enough.

@carrabelloy @Gargron @freemo

People need to start saying the magic words, "diversity doesn't work."

It's not about WHO the diversity is, but the fact of diversity itself.

I write about this a lot. It's a fascinating distinction that opens a whole world of thought.

@amerika

Whether diversity works or not depends largely on the people. I've seen diversity be disastrous, I've seen it be harmonious. Generally when the group is filled with mature decent people it almost always works, but such people tend to be rare, so it can also generally fail.

@carrabelloy @Gargron

@freemo @carrabelloy @Gargron

I've seen it in all forms. Like anarchy, it works in small communes where everyone knows each other, but they are not functional beyond a very limited range, and over time, problems occur.

In societies, once it reaches a certain threshold, culture and social order break down.

@amerika Nah, I cant go with that. It has little if anything to do with critical mass or society breaking down. The truth is that many societies are just filled with immature people, nothing more, nothing less.

I've been to large cities all over the world with very large degrees of diversity and have often seen people get along rather well.

@freemo

I have lived in those cities my whole life.

Tourist view doesn't tell you much.

@amerika I didnt say i was there as a tourist, I lived in many of those cities as well. Visited others.

@amerika @Gargron @freemo Sie sprechen mir aus der Seele. Deswegen muss diese Merkel weg und der ganzen Abgeordneten die wir dort haben. Diese Kanzlerin wird gehasst vom eigenen Bürger die reden sich das alles schön. Die AFD ist ja nicht einfach so entstanden und ich denke die wissen noch gar nicht was denen Blühen wird. Es kann in Deutschland unter Umständen im nächsten Jahr Chaos ausbrechen. Die sind nur mit Stühle rücken dran aber das weitere sehen sie nicht. das sie in Ihrer Luftblase sind

@amerika @Gargron @freemo speak from my soul. That's why Merkel and all the MPs we have there have to go. This Chancellor is hated by her own citizens who talk about it all nicely. AFD didn't just come about and I don't think they even know what will bloom for them. Chaos could break out in Germany next year. They are only with chairs back to them but they don't see anything else. that they are in your bubble

@carrabelloy @Gargron @freemo

I write about this a lot but...

I think we're in the sea change that Fukuyama warned would never happen

People are tired of modernity

That includes liberal democracy, market socialism, diversity, promiscuity, feminism, etc.

These things make life bad

Nothing gets really good when life is bad

Instead, it just drones on, getting a little bit worse every year...

@amerika @Gargron @freemo I really agree with you. There have to be values and when they are no longer there, societies break and that happened in Germany. People from the outside are not shown this. Since all press houses are switched the same in Europe and Germany. But it is no longer that whole in Germany. It is totally divided and not just in East or West. But also in the west. It is finally time that something changed.

@amerika @Gargron @freemo The values must be restored. If Eugen didn't eat, he couldn't work well, and neither could she. If you do not give your engine oil, the machine will not last long.

@amerika @Gargron @freemo Was schreiben Sie denn ? Wenn ich sie fragen darf ? Ich finde schreiben echt toll. Leider nach meinem Unfall wird das Grammatisch nichts mehr werden. Sonst brauchte ich einen Lektor. Der mir die Worte, die ich vorbereitet, habe zu Papier bringt. Von daher finde ich das gut. Ich muss mal schauen, ob ich, dass auch noch schaffen kann, ein Buch zu schreiben. Ich wünsche Ihnen immer die besten Zeilen und einen wunderbaren Erfolg das sie immer die richtigen Worte finden

@amerika @Gargron @freemo What are you writing? If I may ask you? I think writing is really great. Unfortunately, after my accident, the grammar will no longer work. Otherwise I needed an editor. Who puts the words I have prepared on paper for me. So I think that's good. I have to see if I can still manage to write a book. I always wish you the best lines and a wonderful success that you always find the right words

@carrabelloy @Gargron @freemo

Thanks for the translation. Only some German language makes sense here (thanks Oma).

As far as writing/editing, I wrote a book on nihilism, have a second one coming on traditionalism, publish daily at www.amerika.org, and run a writing/editing gig at brettstevens.org

I have some writers -- for Amerika -- who basically send in outlines and snippets that I make into articles. Busy people in the real world, not "internet people," if that makes sense.

@amerika @Gargron @freemo Doch auch die jetzt noch oder was sie sehen ist noch, so das es menschen schreiben. Überall gibt es noch nicht die Bots. Oder den Quanten Computer ich denke das es aber schon toll ist, wenn man kann also schreiben kann und ein tolles Buch schreiben können. Vielleicht sollten sie mal darüber ein Buch schreiben. es könnte bestimmt Interessant werden. Da in Amerika dasselbe Problem herrscht. Mann kann auch nicht Trump für alles dafür Verantwortlich machen.

@amerika @Gargron @freemo But even now or what you see is still so that people write it. The bots aren't everywhere yet. Or the quantum computer, but I think it's great when you can write and write a great book. Maybe they should write a book about it sometime. it could be interesting. Because America has the same problem. You can't hold Trump responsible for everything.

@freemo @amerika @Gargron But every cultural circumstance must be preserved. I don't like new ones like what has been done here. I think if we hadn't had this diversity, then this would not have come to this Corona in Europe. I am equally convinced of this insane feminism. All of this is no longer possible and many no longer want it.

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