@Nigma I'll probably wind up voting Jo and just tell people I voted Trump.

@HappyWizard @freemo @Nigma Hey so correct me if I'm wrong on any of these: 1. Voting for a president is worthwhile. The system, if rigged, will be more difficult to rig if more people vote. Mostly presidential elections are poorly set up due to the electoral college which causes outrage and perception of riggage when presidents win despite losing the popular vote due to the specific placement of the voters. Also, even in a high turn-out year the wide majority of people do not vote, which makes your vote count more. 2. If you live in a nonswing state your vote- Republican or Democrat, is basically wasted. I for example live in California, so voting for either of these two parties will have no effect as the state will always go Democrat and award its huge amount of electoral college votes to that candidate. The way to make your vote count is to vote for a third party candidate. That candidate will not win, but you will not be affecting the outcome in a nonswing state. What will happen is that that party, if it gets a large enough number of popular (not electoral) votes, will get more funding in the next presidential election. This is a step towards a third party being considered legitimately in the future. 3. Anyone on either side who understands our system of electing a president is unhappy with it. They are usually unhappy with the candidate their preferred party puts forward and the compromises their party is forced to make. They are however afraid of the other party and that party's candidate so they pick the lesser of two evils. Having the possibility of a third party, any third party, being taken seriously would fuck this mindset all up. I'm going to get personal here and say I have lived in California most of my life and been fooled and guilted again and again into voting for a Democrat. I've even been part of phone trees and other volunteering for that party. While it felt good those few times (OK only once) the Democrats managed to put forward a candidate I actually believed in (before ultimately being disappointed by them); none of that mattered.


By the way not sure more people voting neccesearly equates to being easier to rig. If only a single person voted it would be much easier to see if its rigged, just go ask the one person how they voted and you have your answer in a few seconds.. .With tens of million voting determining if the system is rigged becomes far more complicated and would require more man-hours to get to the bottom of it.

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In fact even if we talk en mass, 10% voting who really care about their vote is harder to rig because they care enough to bother to double check afterwards if their vote was registered and counted and if it isnt they may make a stink about it.

If you have 90% voting with 10% really being enthusiastic and 80% being apathetic and not caring too much, then the vast majority of voters arent even going to check their vote or say anything, relying on others to detect any possible fraud.

So it would seem in this scenario even then more people voting means its harder to detect fraud, not easier.

@Nigma @HappyWizard

@freemo @Nigma @HappyWizard Yeah, I always figured that was the weakest part of my argument- but anything to get more people to vote! I have to admit, you are correct.
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