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Absolutely, I agree, it should not be your job to protect yourselves, it should be the job of those in the community to make the community a place that is moral and just.

No one is saying you cant disengage, or that you shouldnt have the right.. am also not saying that it is right that this action leads to more harm, it shouldnt... but the sad fact is, it does. When you accuse the good people risking everything of being Nazis and drive them off by shunning, you create a space where people dont try to make a safe space for you, its wrong, they should do it anyway, but they wont. Especially when the abuse (being called a nazi or treated like one) is coming from the people you try to help and when you do that and get hated by both sides now.

I can relate to my own expiernces, and please try to also consider where im coming from... I took a stance for 5 years now that as we can all see is a large component in having the community treat me exact the way we are discussing... Everyone ignores the fact that I did it because I saw a life, and LGBTQ life, saved by this choice.. I stuck with it when i saw a second life saved later. I am so passionate about my choice after seeing these lives saved that no matter how much the mob yells at me I wont back down.. because being unpopular to save LGBTQ lives is a good trade off for me.}

Here is the catch though, now I am the target of very similar abuse that the LGBTQ phase... all the legitimate nazis are out there attacking me and shunning me for daring to care about the LGBTQ community and stand up for them. At the same time the very LGBTQ community I have commit to help is imaging dog whistles that dont exist and lumping me in with the Nazis....

So consider the position I'm in.. I have a choice... I choose to be popular with the LGBTQ community at the cost of seeing the death of people I could have saved... I choose to be a nazi and wind up popular with that group.. or I choose the moral high ground and do what I know and have seen to be right but accept everyone on both sides hating me for imagined nonsense. Luckily I care about doing what is right, and I always will... A lesser person wouldnt, a lesser person would choose to let the LGBTQ community burn just so they could have a friend and not be under constant assault... Is their choice right? No... but it is the choice most people will make.

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