Привет @rf!
Смотрю есть такая вещь как ufoi.org, что представляет собой _открытый_ аналог joinmastodon.org, включая собственный устав. Там уже присутствуют наши соседи типа lor.sh и правилам поведения наш инстанс соответствует. Но при этом список инстансов временно скрыт с сайта чтобы избежать недопонимания и драмы.
Вопрос: Стоит ли подать туда заявку? И что вы думаете насчёт #UFoI?
@saiv46 обсуждали на последних регулярках.
Теперь видно, что это прямой аналог федиблока, но вместо блокировки оперирующий гарантией НЕблокировки. И вот эта самая идея мне крайне не нравится, т. к. она идёт поперёк самостоятельности отдельных узлов, а это ключевая фишка Федивёрса. Да, можно в любой момент выйти и избавиться от обязательств, но есть опасение, что некоторые участники UfoI сами сочтут это поводом для блокировки.
Не, я понимаю, *зачем* это сделано. Чтобы участники принимали решения "как для себя" и не превращали обсуждение решений в балаган. И альтернативы лучше у меня нет.
И мне нравится их идея осторожного и прозрачного рассмотрения инцидентов многими сторонами, и это для модераторов может быть полезно как источник информации для сложных или неизученных случаев. И если бы не проблема выше, я бы таким применением и ограничился вместо полноценного членства.
А так… Любая федерация, в конечном счёте, сумма своих участников. Посмотрим на участников.
This is why you shoukd join now, early. So you can be a participant and get a say in who joins and how the rules are worded. You can guide it where you want it.
Just leave if it heads in a bad direction. We are all here because we hate petty blocking, no one will block you for leaving, some people already left and there were no hard feelings.
Also remeber the names will be hidden until we get a much bigger size, big enough we wont be bullied.Even now the ones bullying are the ones that will target you eventually. Safer in a grouo than getting picked off one by one.
@freemo this may only last until the first big disagreement, which just hasn't happened so far. And that's when people tend to pick sides very firmly and often irrationally. That's where a massive divide might happen that otherwise would be much more localized were instances to think for just themselves.
I just see this as unnecessary centralization and extra potential for "guilt by association". Claims to the contrary are just statements of intention that, from my perspective, contradict the bylaws.
The Fediverse is flexible, I would even say fluid, in defining and following the rules. Every server is fully in control of their own moderation decisions and users are free to migrate. UFoI compromises and complicates this structure.
I also suspect it targets the wrong audience. This may be an unsound guess, but I reckon rash moderation decisions are made by irresponsible (in the moment at least) or underinformed moderators. I don't see why'd they join the UFoI anyway.
I see it very much to the contrary.. its an organization where a bunch of people were victims of "guilt by association" got together to stop it... considering that a threat to guilt by association sounds like a huge leap.
It also isnt centralized, it is decentralized.. thats why it is built to be compatable with "sister federations" (horizontal decentralization) and coalitions (vertical decentralization)
@freemo well I certainly didn't put it there
I (think I) understand the intention, I just have doubts about the mechanism to make it real.
I would love to have an informative list of evidence-based[1] decisions as a support tool for the mods. The rest, mostly the instance membership and guaranteed federation parts, I'm not so sure about.
[1]: however one-sided they may be, great if not at all
I think the skeptisim is healtthy, as i said its why we added the right to leave clause... My suggestion would be join.. act like a force of rationality to keep the ship headed int he right direction (which only happens if you have a vote as a member).. if it goes south, leave. There is the off chance people might block you for leaving but thatts no worse than it is now where people will block you for having any opinion that differs from their own.
ethics in fediversism.