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@freemo A little addendum to our discussion yesterday:
I think you prematurely trusted the people who accused me of being a nazi. In hindsight, some of your questions made the impression on me that you were already suspicious of me, just because there were some random dudes that called me a nazi.
Believing random dudes who denounce users is not a good idea in general. You should have questioned their own motivation first. It seems, here in the fediverse there are many radical leftists who try to silence people who don't share their viewpoints (basically they are all "nazis").
When you look at the profiles of Tobias Dausend (@throgh) or Mr. Troll (@nipos) you will quickly see that they're indeed obsessed with "Nazis". They're basically constantly writing about how there are Nazis everywhere.
@nipos is even in favor of physical violence against people that he considers to be Nazis, i.e. these people see themselves as judge and executioner [see screenshot]. From my point of view this is a clear indication that they're left-wing extremists, probably working together with the #Antifa.
The toot from PixelAufstand in the screenshot literally says the following:
"Police Berlin, no, protecting nazis that glorify nazi war criminals and a police escort for holocaust deniers like Dennis Ingo Schulz, is unacceptable...
'Fascism is not an opinion, it's a crime'"
The problem is that in their eyes almost everybody is a fascist. They literally regard all AfD members as Nazis. And in their eyes, violence against Nazis is justified.
That is, if you have the wrong opinion, they'll try to smash in your head. This is the opposite of human rights or free speech.
And regarding generalization against nations... Tobias Dausend is regularly using the hashtag #Deutschland-du-mieses-Stück , which translates to #Germany-you-wretched-piece. Just think about the mindset behind that.
I think they're obsessed left-wing ideologues who see Nazis everywhere or try to use that term to get people banned who have a different viewpoint.
Just so I can follow, this isnt a criticism. When you say Nazi for you mean "people who are racist". Or do you mean an actual Nazi (A person who loves Hitler and supports mass genocide of minorities)?
Not that either is acceptable, just trying to follow the thread and understand the language.
Haha, ad hominem, that's ridiculous. Do you even understand what you are saying? Ad hominem is when you attack someone for their looks or some other superficial stuff.
In contrast, I simply pointed out the contents of your posts here in the Fediverse and how it looks like you're really a leftist extremist.
If it's morally wrong to reference the writings of other persons, then please explain to me why you do the same thing to me in order to try and denounce me as a "Nazi". I hate double standards like that.
When you like to criticize the system as a whole, you should maybe use hashtags that are less generalizing and offensive to whole nations. Calling a whole nation a "wretched piece" is very generalizing and not helpful in any way.
Last but not least: So far it's mostly you two guys that have a problem with me. You could just block me. But that's not your objective, right? You simply want to get me censored, because you are extreme leftists and want to push your agenda. For you guys, the majority of the german population is already "Nazi", and that's why you hate the AfD so much, because they're even more "Nazi" in your eyes. In reality, they are just moderate conservatives. In reality, you're so far on the left side of the political spectrum, that almost every normal thinking person is a "Nazi" for you.
I know your new here, but please keep in midn QOTO is first and foremost about building bridges. Your style of discussion doesnt seem conducive to that. Consider changing your style of discussion to be less adverserial and more give and take.
You said early on your purpose of debate was to challenge your own preconceptions. That isnt what I'm seeing, what I see is you trying to preach to others your views, trying to convince people your right, and masking it as debate.
I understand you feel attacked, and that often gives rise to defensiveness, but just as you say they could have walked away from the conversation so can you.
I dont want to just ban you, i really dont. I would much rather see you grow as a person and take something more positive away. If i ban you no good has come of your expiernce here. If I show you love, and try to teach you to show love as well, then maybe good can come.
Dr. Freemo, you just literally stated that
- you think my views are destructive.
- I'm trying to convince people that I am right, and masking it as a debate.
- I'm walking a very dangerous and a very fine line.
- you don't want me to feel like an enemy, but rather more like a fellow human, even a friend, who has just lost their way.
- you want to show me some love and help me find the right path.
You also implied that I don't seem "healthy" (you put it in quotes yourself).
The first two points hurt me the most. But all of it sounds pretty condescending from my point of view.
May I respectfully ask what views of mine you regard as 'destructive'?
Well we discussed that earlier. The fact that you think it is important to tell people turkish people are more violent while dismissing the systemic causes of that violence. That was a big example. And no I dont think that pattern is a healthy one.
Open dialoge also means hearing people's honest opinions of your views. I personally find much of your focus in debates to be unsavory. I'd much rather try to change your mind and engage you as a human I care about than to exile you however.
I do not agree with his views, I think they are destructive. I don't think he represents the way most people on our instance think or interact. I also havent followed the whole conversation because nothing was reported. Please if you feel he was hateful to anyone at anytime please report it I may have just missed it.
We have a team of moderators, it isnt just my call. Banning is something we take very seriously so if you think a post was made that was hateful you'd have to report it and that will initiate a vote among the administrators.
If it is simply that he has an unpopular view that wont get him banned but racism or hate would, so please if you see any examples of that (since i have not seen every message please report it.
In short, he has not recieved any reports from any users yet to raise concerns, so no moderators have needed to vote on any actions or violations.
I will also take the time shortly to review the conversation as well, since this appears to be a concern for you and at least one other. So I will give it the time it deserves now that you tagged me.
My pleasure, I sympathize with your frustrations. He is walking a very dangerous and a very fine line.
I'd like to try to heal the community, not just exile people from it who dont seem "healthy". So I'd us to try to show this guy some love and see if we help him find the right path. I don't like to give up on people, I dont think that fixes the problems. At the same time there are limits...
@throgh I hear ya, I can relate to a lot of that.
The question im left with is what can we do as a community to help him be the best person he can be. To show him how he can do good for all races and why his current perspective is counter to that.
If we just exile him we wont help as much as we might if we can show him he is cared about too, we just want him to care about others more, like we care about him. I dont want him to feel like the enemy but rather more like a fellow human, even a friend, who has just lost their way. Maybe I'm being naive but I think its what the world needs to heal
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