R. A. Dehi @radehi@qoto.org

@brembs ew

@brembs Your @GigaScience link doesn't work though

@brembs That sounds pretty cool!

@louis@emacs.ch it could be a problem if you're 40.000 users in three more days 😀

@albertcardona Oh, so you just mean as harmless as *Pepsis*?

It's true that I've spent a lot of time around wasps that didn't sting me. But I also wouldn't describe the wasp stings I *have* received as "harmless" 😃

@albertcardona Entirely harmless, really? *Pepsis* is similar, and I thought its famously agonizing sting was a necessary adaptation to being a large-spider parasitoid.

@cemerick The apparent words from what may or may not be the mouth of one of the horses mouth are pretty clear that the horse doesn't consider itself an HBD horse; even Gawker says, "WorldOptimization, who occasionally outlines more progressive views on her blog, doesn’t appear to ascribe [sic] to the HBD outlook."

Generally the nerds who are persecuted for being nerds are the ones who aren't making absurd bags, maybe because they have social or mental problems, or because they live in a country where nobody makes absurd bags, or maybe because they're still kids. You've probably met people whose lives are very difficult because they were nerds, even if you didn't realize it. Hopefully you will never be one of them.

Stepping back, though, your implicit premise seems to be that people who are making bags of money can't be persecuted; bigotry against them cannot exist. If that were true, it would commit you to the position that there is no racism in the US against Asian-Americans (who on average earn more than white people), no anti-Semitism in the world (since Jewish people are on average less poor), and no anti-US hatred (for the same reason).

But we know none of these are true; just today we saw the US Libertarian Party publishing this classic anti-Semitic poster edited to show Sam Bankman-Fried: https://www.dailydot.com/debug/libertarian-party-shares-antisemitic-meme/

In fact, a situation where some group of people is making bags of money merely shows that whatever bigotry exists against that group *isn't currently dominant in society*, at least not so dominant that those people couldn't overcome it. The bigotry may still exist, and group members can still suffer from it. Often it grows, fed by envy for those bags of money.

So, again, I caution you not to uncritically accept every accusation leveled at this group, especially if they're being criticized for nerdiness rather than fraud, as in these cases.

Maybe they're racist or something, but so far the evidence to support that hypothesis is at best extremely thin.

@cemerick Nerds are *definitely* a persecuted class, even if not in your immediate vicinity, and the particular things these articles are criticizing are nerd things, not bad-people things: polyamory, looking "ugly" (probably code for "Jewish"), being a "sex nerd girl", and talking about ideas one disagrees with (which pretty much covers all of science and most of the rest of philosophy).

Online Nazis are pretty happy to talk about black people who commit crimes too, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't invent ways to be generous toward those black people when the Nazis are accusing them of things they plausibly didn't do.

Especially if you're black yourself. You're enough of a nerd that someone who thinks a "sex nerd girl" is therefore a "repulsive person" would kill someone like you, too, if they got a chance. Unless they had to look you in the eye while you died, maybe.

More generally, I think this kind of dogpiling viciousness is the kind of birdsite pathology that the Fediverse is better without.

@cemerick mostly my takeaway here is that a lot of people hate nerds and so they're delighted to find a group of nerds they can torment with impunity

@cemerick the gawker story makes it sound like she was tagging stuff "hbd" because she was talking *about* hbd people in them, not because she herself was expressing hbd beliefs, and it's not clear if this is even actually her blog in the first place. also though I feel like gawker has maybe about the same level of integrity as breitbart; remember we're talking about a news organization that's been bankrupted once for outing gay people and publishing so-called "revenge porn" (non-consensual distribution of intimate sexual videos) as journalism. so we should probably reserve judgment

@cemerick oh really? I hadn't seen that

@cemerick oh, I'm not trying to claim they weren't a polycule; I'm saying it's pretty unlikely they were race science enthusiasts

@publicvoit It doesn't offer any alternative to renaming the files, does it? Although apparently it works for you, there's no way I'd try out a tagging system that renamed my files, even if it didn't insert spaces into the names. *Spaces*!

Spaces are not the *worst* possible thing to have in a filename; newlines would be worse.

But spaces do break make and most shell scripts, and renaming files breaks almost any references to the files anywhere else: `<a href="">`, `<img src="">`, hypertext links from org-mode files, `#include`, full-text search databases, symlinks, Emacs buffers currently editing the file, lines in my command-line history that do things with the file, `diff -r`, *everything*. The only exceptions are hardlinks (or reflinks) and that Git can usually track files successfully across renames. Renaming files is the opposite extreme from being "almost invisible to the user" if the user is someone like me.

So, although filetags looks like an interesting project with some potential UI advances, the chances that I'll try it if it insists on renaming my files are very, very small.

@Hortense I've been seriously mourning for ten years now

@publicvoit the filetags idea of storing tags by renaming files is a new one for me; previously I've used either metadata-file-per-tag (`echo heartshapedbox.mp3 >> rock.playlist`) or metadata-file-per-file (`echo rock >> heartshapedbox.mp3.tags`), with convenient scripts for adding and querying with tags thus represented. Tab-completion and mutual exclusion is definitely a plus.

@publicvoit too bad there isn't a thesis about it to explain them to me

or...?

@Hortense he definitely does have a trolling aspect to his nature, and he did falsely accuse a critic of pedophilia, but milo yiannopoulos and donald trump never launched reusable rockets to space, so i don't know if elmu's really in twitter's top 1000 purest griefers

@alexshendi1@mastodon.technology I feel like the 95LX is not really challenging to run Scheme on, it has not just hundreds of kilobytes but in some cases even an entire megabyte of RAM

@cemerick maybe you've seen something I haven't but the little I was able to find by searching is really stretching the evidence, like almost qanon level

@llbbl oh, I thought you meant Mastodon gobbled memory like Cookie Monster, not Kubernetes