#FBPPR

What is missing on Fediverse and everywhere now certainly in real life for various reasons mentioned... which doesn't make anonymous people guilty of a crime or bad, but almost the regular opposite though systems or people can assume otherwise without name, age, birth etc info which makes people uneasy without.

So I CC: you here as alternate way of saying some of what we talked about before and alternate evidence (not just my experience and testing with people / you).

CC: Chris H #ChoirsForClimate @hutchingsmusic
CC: @freemo QOTO admin
CC: @freeschool (me)
CC: Amiya Behera #FBPPR @amiya_rbehera
CC: Joost van Baal-Ilić
@joostvb
CC: @DarkOptimism (audio speaker)

Feel free to boost if you think others can comment on this as further opinion...

DEEPER VERSION BELOW
FOR THOSE ABLE TO BELIEVE....

This audible version says my heart what many of us say in various ways, which I can accept is a better interpretation or needed as various medium to bridge to each other. Audio shows underlying #psychology and even main problems of why problems continue (!)

Again many ways can lead to similar ways but the same / ID ways online can often lead but it's "safety" to the same limited bad ways for 'good' 'spam-free' filters people's brain does online... all this is great for for States and System's when people reveal themselves online (Scholars I understand a bit more if out there or career making) but often assume there is no other way and makes it too easy for Capitalism to see / pin comms, and then work on preventing them. I could give you examples but jail time for speaking out (without violence, without much) is actually enough evidence itself (unless you don't believe there are people sitting in jail now too easily from their own evidence - could have been a bit better and assumed one day it would come to that).

Much like a wing-man or wife speaking for their partner, people like Shaun Chamberlain @DarkOptimism (whose work I really recommend) are needed to talk for us (and OK more credible as representative of principles / not titles as much as that shows some skill) and show others a more accepting or measured way to get us all there and what we anon feel excluded from and able to do (if not block us after!).

Shaun helps people see and bridge their own gaps (it is your gap not mine but I don't mean everyone listed here or that I'm perfect).

But you're able to do more with me / other / anon people, spam-looking even who still hold logic, persistence, usable energy etc and include them and not just ignored based on pseudo-name, nickname, username,... or dodgy looking links you don't even test

Not people defining themselves by capitalism's "work", not just in tech (where it can help see another pure coder) but everywhere now less are doing the caring work and head in computers (the hard stuff and what coders might be avoiding / running from because we are reliably imperfect - and human, but doesn't make us bad or helping humanity get better by not doing more of or coding ever more disposable code). Humans also transfer many things reliably and in the now.

Robotic and too safe / sterile
= less trust, friendship, practise, ...

Not doing the deeper human work then yes you're part of a culture in decline...

...yes even without name or passport control or answering adequately "where are you from?' questions... all of that can be too much now we are culturally / historically raped, all mixed or sterilised in some form, or just disconnected. And wish to focus on other stuff first... maybe even therapy of all that along the way for everyone...

We shed identity of Capitalism's kind and Capitalism also raised the bar of being complicit in 'system' #war / #extractive #factory types of uncaring #systems

ID is the same copy and paste for uncaring Capitalism as a conditional start (and end) to everything, so make note of that.

Those questions are even not so needed (but ok if some want to answer but accept some don't) We also most certainly will offer it later don't worry - just not in your order currently.

You need to have better faith than me at least- and if you don't - justify it... so that our survival in the future isn't just about people who didn't try with genuine people (assume 99% are or testable as-you-go to understand what their type IF it not clear from profile or first messages).

Can't ignore anonymous real responsive logical people, activists who know what we use online, and good reason for being protective (nothing to do with you directly) and yes almost a curse we have on ourself to bare like not having Facebook but hold highest principle of self-protection from system holding close because we know data collecting and mapping and whatever is all future 'prevention' in the making from our comms and *IDentifying* people.

Repeat this audio a few times.
And find more chance for us to do more. Or tell me more why now.
Thank you.

========

WITH "more anonymous" in mind people like me .... i.e. Less defined by role in society (since anyway we are rejected) and less ID or less passport upfront means even #activists don't understand a different version of #activism - such that activist-scholars don't understand or want to understand other too well - which means they can't practise without psychological unrelaxedness even when a genuine anonymouse comes a long. Staying inside activist-scholar realms is also dangerously easy to shut down.
I could tell you how but I think those than almost dox themselves are also needed and part of it - each can work in their own way.

And instead play it so safe it can play our reasoning or even coming out of boxes and assumptions.

The reasonable expectation and interactions

Because I / we are frequently ignored based on prejudice of holding back our exact identity or profession (we are protective from system more than anything but doesn't mean we want to attack everyone we contact and profile says a lot about a person which make us no totally anon / random / without principle)

The value of being yourself more than your position in Capitalism or Scholarly position *first*... can be seen by people who don't reply back for x/y reason (mostly not taking the time to check even though they might want to do that anyway - I could put a better front fascia but at least honestly I don't)

The quality of believing in people, Trust-as-you-go or "at the speed of Trust" and increasing reassurance rather than ignore or shut comms down.

#Trust #Transparency #Realness
* with #Anonymous / ID Protective people on #Fediverse especially *

Others I thought of:
CC: Chris Adams
@mrchrisadams Science and Justice. #Green #Web #ClimateChange #Climate
#ExtinctionRebellion
CC: @gabriel

What is missing on Fediverse and everywhere now certainly in real life for various reasons mentioned... which doesn't make anonymous people guilty of a crime or bad, but almost the regular opposite though systems or people can assume otherwise without name, age, birth etc info which makes people uneasy without.

So I CC: you here as alternate way of saying some of what we talked about before and alternate evidence (not just my experience and testing with people / you).

CC: Chris H #ChoirsForClimate @hutchingsmusic
CC: @freemo QOTO admin
CC: @freeschool (me)
CC: Amiya Behera #FBPPR @amiya_rbehera
CC: Joost van Baal-Ilić
@joostvb
CC: @DarkOptimism (audio speaker)

Feel free to boost if you think others can comment on this as further opinion...

DEEPER VERSION BELOW
FOR THOSE ABLE TO BELIEVE....

This audible version says my heart what many of us say in various ways, which I can accept is a better interpretation or needed as various medium to bridge to each other. Audio shows underlying #psychology and even main problems of why problems continue (!)

Again many ways can lead to similar ways but the same / ID ways online can often lead but it's "safety" to the same limited bad ways for 'good' 'spam-free' filters people's brain does online... all this is great for for States and System's when people reveal themselves online (Scholars I understand a bit more if out there or career making) but often assume there is no other way and makes it too easy for Capitalism to see / pin comms, and then work on preventing them. I could give you examples but jail time for speaking out (without violence, without much) is actually enough evidence itself (unless you don't believe there are people sitting in jail now too easily from their own evidence - could have been a bit better and assumed one day it would come to that).

Much like a wing-man or wife speaking for their partner, people like Shaun Chamberlain @DarkOptimism (whose work I really recommend) are needed to talk for us (and OK more credible as representative of principles / not titles as much as that shows some skill) and show others a more accepting or measured way to get us all there and what we anon feel excluded from and able to do (if not block us after!).

Shaun helps people see and bridge their own gaps (it is your gap not mine but I don't mean everyone listed here or that I'm perfect).

But you're able to do more with me / other / anon people, spam-looking even who still hold logic, persistence, usable energy etc and include them and not just ignored based on pseudo-name, nickname, username,... or dodgy looking links you don't even test

Not people defining themselves by capitalism's "work", not just in tech (where it can help see another pure coder) but everywhere now less are doing the caring work and head in computers (the hard stuff and what coders might be avoiding / running from because we are reliably imperfect - and human, but doesn't make us bad or helping humanity get better by not doing more of or coding ever more disposable code). Humans also transfer many things reliably and in the now.

Robotic and too safe / sterile
= less trust, friendship, practise, ...

Not doing the deeper human work then yes you're part of a culture in decline...

...yes even without name or passport control or answering adequately "where are you from?' questions... all of that can be too much now we are culturally / historically raped, all mixed or sterilised in some form, or just disconnected. And wish to focus on other stuff first... maybe even therapy of all that along the way for everyone...

We shed identity of Capitalism's kind and Capitalism also raised the bar of being complicit in 'system' #war / #extractive #factory types of uncaring #systems

ID is the same copy and paste for uncaring Capitalism as a conditional start (and end) to everything, so make note of that.

Those questions are even not so needed (but ok if some want to answer but accept some don't) We also most certainly will offer it later don't worry - just not in your order currently.

You need to have better faith than me at least- and if you don't - justify it... so that our survival in the future isn't just about people who didn't try with genuine people (assume 99% are or testable as-you-go to understand what their type IF it not clear from profile or first messages).

Can't ignore anonymous real responsive logical people, activists who know what we use online, and good reason for being protective (nothing to do with you directly) and yes almost a curse we have on ourself to bare like not having Facebook but hold highest principle of self-protection from system holding close because we know data collecting and mapping and whatever is all future 'prevention' in the making from our comms and *IDentifying* people.

Repeat this audio a few times.
And find more chance for us to do more. Or tell me more why now.
Thank you.

========

WITH "more anonymous" in mind people like me .... i.e. Less defined by role in society (since anyway we are rejected) and less ID or less passport upfront means even #activists don't understand a different version of #activism - such that activist-scholars don't understand or want to understand other too well - which means they can't practise without psychological unrelaxedness even when a genuine anonymouse comes a long. Staying inside activist-scholar realms is also dangerously easy to shut down.
I could tell you how but I think those than almost dox themselves are also needed and part of it - each can work in their own way.

And instead play it so safe it can play our reasoning or even coming out of boxes and assumptions.

The reasonable expectation and interactions

Because I / we are frequently ignored based on prejudice of holding back our exact identity or profession (we are protective from system more than anything but doesn't mean we want to attack everyone we contact and profile says a lot about a person which make us no totally anon / random / without principle)

The value of being yourself more than your position in Capitalism or Scholarly position *first*... can be seen by people who don't reply back for x/y reason (mostly not taking the time to check even though they might want to do that anyway - I could put a better front fascia but at least honestly I don't)

The quality of believing in people, Trust-as-you-go or "at the speed of Trust" and increasing reassurance rather than ignore or shut comms down.

#Trust #Transparency #Realness
* with #Anonymous / ID Protective people on #Fediverse especially *

Others I thought of:
CC: Chris Adams
@mrchrisadams Science and Justice. #Green #Web #ClimateChange #Climate
#ExtinctionRebellion
CC: @gabriel

Time and Trust is lost in Technology

And at the same time we are also not doing the people / friendship work.

Think of being 15 playing PlayStation and again with PC

Isn't it really similar / the same even if it became more accepted professionally.

Good fun, occasionally something - but not actually advancing people or yourself with others?.

Tech as new PlayStation ? i would admit it after all these years.
1 player game or lonely multi-player with other loners.

Emptying time more than filling people with something more connected / real? And if it doesn't exist, we must make it.

So not everything is quite written off as #gaming but similar dynamics and even excuses not to interact with *people* and potential things that get undermined or deleted eventually (yes we can use tech but we have all the basic tech already for people to interact - not need for any more, just maintain #email, #jitsi, #bigblubutton, #torrent, #p2p, #Mastodon, #XMPP, #FTP (not even nextcloud / open cloud etc as FTP is native to os and strong for small or even large groups, Debian still uses it for example) and a few other solid protocols

ALL else is a bit of a time dump if people can't themselves communicate - so this is what needs work - even if you build the best sports car, people are still the weak link and wreck everything unknowingly - they themselves are a wreck due to history and mal-practice of contact between people.

Seems to just apply a kind of therapy as the basic work is the best way via Jitsi and go "at the speed of trust".

Building Friendship [Trust] vs. Playing PlayStation [Spending Time solo]

CC : Amiya Behera #FBPPR @amiya_rbehera
from recent conversation about trust in tech, blockchain etc

They want to fail gloriously.

Political messages against asylum seekers doesn’t have to work –it’s there to pretend the bad politicians are acting nobly on your behalf even though they will never help you and the plans are predictably doomed.

#GTTO #LibDems #RejoinEU #ReframingPolitics
#FBPE #FBPPR #UKpolitics #EuropeanMovement