#mutually

Lately I've had a few good posts about why #systems are failing and missing out the humans themselves. A few post titles are below and short points first.

TLDR:
User-to-User interaction and progress needed on any network else people stay weak
personal contact / match-making of some kind needed by individuals and dedicated ppl
encouraging closer relativity / mutuality and from that projects naturally...
mutual growing people is essential for wider society, skills and mindset
not just growing machines!
(that is the way to Matrix!)

Titles and links below:

1 #Social systems / #p2p fails when the #users themselves are not regularly doing the #trust work #peertopeer and constructively themselves not building that - just consuming media or just on the #Trump hashtag while leaders steal our #future.

Having "system" is not enough We need people or events to get together others together much like online seminars, circles or conferences help 'push' people together or at least see mutuality more clearly.

Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 Real work is done ON the users and admin themselves (people change).

It's also NOT about expanding #google on everything or using #BigTech to expand without much mindset change - we need more non-#AWS stuff knowing later that US space is a big #problem / #compromised.

The people-to-people work is doing better stuff than just 'machines' as the main work, coding re-coding the same shit while people stay behind.

Communication daily rather than #massstorage #McDonalds...

Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 Up to us not waiting for leaders or others forever...
Who's ready to build and build with trust? We need to work with those that can actually start and increase, and respond to reason better. Not waiting for history to repeat itself.

Post: https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These post are so deliciously close to the Holy Grail of togetherness or solving things... saying what needs doing and growing people is the way forward.
Others growing others mean:
#informal apprenticeship /
#better #examples of each other etc.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life.

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from other admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can
rrbe better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system

Beyond messaging, Automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / definitions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask #Freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So #Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers #Freemo and here's to you in general!

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...

Involving other people into your life is what is missing to help solve all the small things you'll never do alone - that's the TLDR.

I also mention Richard Stallman and other examples along the way because I respect him (adn you) - but could anyone in any movement not do the people work and be successful...

NO. 100%.

As far as I know (and asked most people) nobody is doing the people work like a niche waiting to happen... (ever get get that DONATE button only under "How you can help"?)

For a movement it's obvious that it is about people not even toilet paper money in 2years time ticking away it's value in the banks loaning it behind you back!...

But NOBODY wants to do this work even with that said... even the contact button will not get you a person sometimes that will work together with you to see if you say anything - UNLESS by chance you're this expensive thing we just happen to want right now! And even then you're discarded

PEOPLE HAVE 0 WORTH NOW.

So TODAY it's more about machines unfortunately....
Your website included if nobody is really behind them to check out your fans - and for those that reply only the paranoid behind site is there - made by people pretending they want attention or progression with people.

That's the main part done...

#Disclaimer over NOW LET US KICK TO PIECES the above so you hopefully realise and make a start on your NEW LIFE.

THE AIM:
WHAT'S YOUR REAL JOB IN LIFE... ?
To find something more than the casual entertainment or '#job' searching constantly, the passing time in a bit of #education - ton of rabbit-hole #politics and then quit out back to every day job and family... going nearly nowhere. Feeling like you might be growing a child but realise it's no better than your own desperate life seeking meaning in yet another mouth to feed with #fairytale stories built to be broken and then an agree look at you, around 18 or earlier - TRAITOR YOU ARE! (too many disney films will do that to you)

This is basically like a Twitter #Lifestyle of using Fediverse... under-appreciating the whole reason(s) we're here.

I don't under-estimate financial troubles you have and stupidity dumping all your money in a child the #state owns but by not spiraling out from your family, you're not even helping the finances or your child either (even that needs people behind it and even some people will do it for free ---> even if that is not the only main goal all the time and can involved paid people like I said with #Stallman - have a mixed tier of people who love what they do not all out #GNU / unpaid and not all out #paid by Google / BLING ).

Actually your usage is less than being on Twitter sometimes if your friends are not here or you're not planning to do anything but use this place for going to #FOSS a few times a year (which is nice - try cram in holiday and education in 3days great).

Without more people together working DAILY / weekly with what they have already, what they do already etc TOGETHER, then we can't do this #freedom stuff AT ALL. It's not just a yearly thing or temporary browse and virtue-signal click...

Hey #Techies - yeah you too - all the good code comes to an end and even in the trash once you've re-written it a million times and then they block an internet pipe or add something in browsers to change goal-posts or re-write something in phones (all happened before right?).

On some level there is always someone else controlling all this and that can be reached and stopped. #Mesh is a good idea but even still people are are they learning how to communicate other than "oh wow, look at this technology - err... ok been there done that - fucking weirdos" after 1 message.

We all have a lot of shit and need help with baggage -do politely pick and choose but do not ignore (do listen and read and get the feeling if genuine).

The enemy's will is too strong elsewhere to ignore the 99% for your 'saving time' and 'I'm busy' excuses while I see what your activity is like from your profile !
Yeah!
Our will is not matching their will so thing we do gets taken down quicker than we have got each other as friends.
Just as "users" we will lose and just get rounded up.

OK ARE YOU GAY AND FRISKY
OR SOMETHING ABOUT 'RELATIONSHIP' WITH ME - CUM ON

#Tinder is not a great example (by far) but imagine people can go as far as sex from just messaging and for us that could be just as great to work on #projects / find each other / space to do something / create from our own suggestions / accommodate each other right? (not sex)

BUT OH MY JOB AND FAMILY ARE ENOUGH! NOOOOOO
There is little real mutuality there and people are not in it to win it (win freedom).

My people, please just don't carry on doing the same $tate games mostly and expect the #shitshow you're paying for to stop or even beg for mercy -

STOP THAT FUCKING BEGGING SHIT - DON'T TRY TO USE LOGIC AND REASONING AGAIN WITH PROFESSIONALLY CRUEL PAID PEOPLE - IT'S UNINTELLIGENT TO GO BACK TO THEM... AND DECADES NOW...

THEY UNDERSTAND HOW YOU WORK, YOUR 100% GREAT REASONS - OVER AND OVER. WHICH THEY SIMPLY YAWN AT AND CONTROL - OR NEXT TIME AROUND WILL CHANGE IT BACK TO HOW IT WAS.

EFFORTS FAILS 100% like that other than together daily exploring more here to up ourselves (and other things with it but not bucketting water from boats with holes pre-drilled in the bottom and sold to you).

Don't wait for your job to fail before you do something about something... or banks to hold your money and not take it while your busy thinking the same number on your bank account statement is actually the same in 1 year (even if the number is).

These are professional bastards you're dealing with, and thought of maaany things...

They are not even listening to your begging while riding their yachts or what you think they really do apart from accumulate and spend on crap.

YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE "YOU AND ME" NOT STATE

Across everything you need to take care in order for all of it to be repaired slowly but surely (doesn't have to be all-in now but how useful it is to have one more willing person around or extra hands).

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OK WHAT'S THE ANSWER AGAIN BUDDY? (YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL BAD AND BULLYING ME ALREADY!!)
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So, what you do already is great, but try picking up the best of them/us here on Fediverse, or even just me to test it and leave a comment how I failed - this gives meaning - some meaning to you

Jump some hashtags and direct message people... and make contact happen...

REMEMBER:
Your 'nice' family and colleagues usually give NO SHITS and are not into doing anything other than "things for the money" as relative baseline to you and your "relationship" - which are not the way to fix anything long-term...

WHY MONEY NO SOLVE MI PROBLEMO?
because all money is #Debt see and increasingly given out loans de-bases all our existing value and dilutes our efforts out of existence (imagine mixing water with real juice - after a while it's just water).

VALUE PROPOSITION HERE?
So we're all proper people and proper value in many ways (we can't avoid that even if we lie a bit or exaggerate). It takes a lot of effort to fake it and even then doesn't work! So even if there are some shit people we're going to have to kick in online it's still more than doable and learning curves to make thing a bit forgivable... and no keys to my Lexus is ever going to be given let's face it.

(again YOUR family and other 'Trust' don't work great AND OFTEN they don't give a fuck if you tried convincing them already 100 times! About #religion, about #waste, #petrol, #war, buying crap... Lots of us are leaving family as we speak I'm sure...)

YOU NEED TO...

Work how I want / we want (yes it's not just you but others so it's also a balance of me AND YOU - but after taking the time looking at the profile we can do more I'm sure or call it 'attempted' - leave a note in their "NOTE" section to see who you already tried with).

Literally aim to work together from the very start and find that #magic #combination between you, will appear - do try like your life / our lives depended on it Batman/kindperson!

If you're too #comfortable / #bourgeois you're probably going to move on from this post and say you have work in the morning and turning the heating up full blast.

But if you know - then every person who tries or writes a post like this DESERVES to be found out and used. You strike gold instantly from persistence / dedication or passion - whatever I have that money can't buy.. even if you don't see it yet. It's there.

If you think you can only pay people to work and expect happiness through the state relationship taxing your asses for #war...
YOU'RE WRONG!
WE SEE IT ALREADY!

History I think proves it over and over... It's nice for a few month (at the beginning) and then it gets boring or you get kick out when they downsize... whatever.

Do the fucking maths - they are raking it in Billions AND 'somehow' it also gets worse the more they get. Hmmm - See how this dark 'magic' works proportionately with money and them making their own rules?
Yes let's hope the job changes something FUCK OFF!

(NOT ABUSING YOU)

The real work is done without paying the $tate that #oppresses you and when people do it anyway for #free why not use them #mutually?

Then you can consider monetising it. For now keep things as they are but increment growing #relationship #relativity between people FIRST.

Your family and money-related relationships are not the way! (because even they don't even work great or you think they do until you talk politics for 10mins! ------> Go ahead and try AND LET ME KNOW HOW IT WENT / IF THERE IS REAL CHANGE!)

What #RMS and other people here (yes even on Fediverse!) are not doing is the same elsewhere - not increasing peer-to-peer / horizontal work. #P2P #SEEDING IF YOU WILL ALLOW THAT SIMILARITY...

So for example if #RichardStallman himself can't do the work, then at least he could organise the fans a bit to do it themselves (a bit like an official forum helps others as volunteer) in a pyramid to provide help TO THE MANY but also work in a more personal way more Mastodon based.
That is the next level after that forum style messaging like the actual work to to fulfill more of everyone's wants and even let them dream a bit).

ALL these people getting followed currently on Fediverse ARE NOT doing working together... Maybe I will list the best of them... but I don't even want to advertise them as they don't provide much and will even disappoint you after some 'very nice posts' we all have enough of. You want to touch the stars and be more like one (even without the #Gary #Glitter).

And then even celebrate a new us each time.... as fans, as unique people! That is the golden egg or whatever! <--- need a golden emoji egg please on the double!

For example I'm happy to organise and talk to #RMS fans even let them comment on me - we can stop anytime too!

A more balanced way (a practical togetherness not just for geeks / admin / #Techies) or even stop-start can happen to test things but I feel like I need a bit of 'official' backing to get the some "weirdos" together (even weirdos can't accept other weirdos these days, that's how bad it is) so it becomes more X-Men style togetheness- even if I'm the guy in the wheelchair called Charles :)
I'll take that!

It's like totally proportional that if other people don't really matter anymore

...or only matter when part of a $tate or $ubsidiary relation$hop (I mean #relationship excuse the previous typo)... then what else does it lead to...

more fascism of course! (hierarchical authoritarian #government) right?
That grows from you doing near-nothing to the above.

It can almost only lead there. And so we see it happen - #fire everywhere and even people comment the "oh no not again"

It's like smelling their own finger and expecting different (ok that monkey video is funny) but common now, enough watching the #shitshow hashtags already.

= #Trump #Musk #Zuckerberg #Bezos #Banks #Bank #Debt $ #Business
#USPol #UKPol ETC

AND START MAKING YOUR OWN HASHTAGS!

FINI - CONTACT ME

Lately I've had a few good posts hinting to why #systems are failing / missing out humans or what human systems need and are not getting. Basically to encourage each other and even hand-hold more (would have made me test Linux a lot more earlier for example or correct myself in my wrong thoughts previously) so more respect and interaction happens for those that are able and for others to be encouraged and do something more than Trump hating for example.... a few titles are below I thought were closer to what is 100% in short:

1 #p2p fails when #users are not doing #peertopeer themselves (having system is not enough)

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823713534235778

2 Real work is the users and admin / and non-#google non-#AWS stuff... maximising the people-to-people work so #p2p = communication daily rather than mass-storage #McDonalds...

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113823094138379891

3 Up to us instead of waiting for others forever... who's ready to build trust? We need to work with those that can actually respond and reason here better already, rather than wait for others?

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/113822893619105510

These are so deliciously close to saying what needs doing so more care and growing people (others growing others / #informal apprenticeship / better examples of each other) happens.

But also practically giving ourselves more hints what to do each day or with each other (2 main branches) rather than default "job" and statesmen and middle-people in between who ultimately ruin / misuse it all.

My experience is that even fans or mutual appreciators don't seem to be able to get past a certain level and currently paranoia or "I'm busy" excuses happens (until people see how they can use others) but overall it's about how we all work for each other by building each other up and eventually doing more, especially as all the while communication improves (#1 solution to many things I think).

It's about motivation and enjoyment to from that and then suddenly people are not as busy because they make it part of their life.

As usual I write more which I believe Freemo helps shorten for people.

I see the potential from admins (who generally are more clever / multi-talented / able to multi-task) and users (who can be better or are clever in-the-waiting) to not miss the obvious point of social improvement but being / living in more of a two-way action and more 'manually' and deliberately doing it each day - it's not any system beyond messaging almost - automatic things systems cannot do what human need after ability to contact and see each other's profile and work.

So even if it's looking a 1 profile a week more closely and trying to work with them / help or having a broader spectrum of open-access with other... Then slowly but surely real work (people change) happens.

From #KeyboardWarriors to #Techies to #Carers all people are already doing something we might want to be part of or integrate / bridge together - and as a mix of people we're superior to just floating individual having mostly non-dedicated parts of life and one-way / one-message interaction as a way to get away from outside life that I think all this post helps get better inside and out.

"Improving user-to-user interaction" is the main work.

We can do as a main part of 'working' socially which traditionally isn't what today's #Capitalist "jobs" do..

(because "jobs" are more narrow fields / defintions / contracts of work towards profit mainly and at the cost of everything else almost along the way - including emptying the human they use like a battery at the end).

Deliberately-socially messaging has benefits which I think people themselves/admins are not doing because others are not doing it (and once people do it I believe they will or can be tested!). I believe people love to see progress in themselves and others and doing it gives others the power / potential to help fix things instead of stay victim (which is what you see a lot of posts about, powerless).

Everything in their life can be fixed but has to come from this slowly but surely approach while improving friendship or respect (even from afar, lower level to high and vice-versa).

The people work is social change and like human resources we have it largely unused online as I see it. So while it's not for everyone here
THERE IS PLENTY OF PEOPLE

and from those 'peer-to-peer- type post titles mentioned at the start I'd like to ask @freemo about this more as I see him as a potential Captain of the football team because basically he's solid enough already which we all need as leader or moderator and so often on the mark.

He has a sense of morality when even if you wouldn't agree you'd thank him for being far clearer, less emotionally capsizing, and more transparent than the other 'leaders' we see currently everywhere.

So Freemo does seem to do this work often anyway even if it's a small way and I feel people leave better from conversation and do come back again too (supply and demand!...) so why not this as a part-time thing or helping me to do it with his advice?

Points welcome even if it seems too dreamy... it seems totally doable even if slow-burn...

Cheers Freemo and here's to you in general!

And I know you have #CleverThis - this is not ignoring that, but a I think you also need a non-company version as "Ask Freemo" / "Free School" (#AskFreemo / #FreeSchool) as not everyone likes to play that #state games of first jumping into a company but can contribute or get there eventually from other safer or less embedded ways...

Better than us spending too much time on hashtags watching #musk #trump etc getting sucked into their attention and spreading their shit words instead of good ones...

Ok that's it - just sending for now, with your help will re-edit / shorten if you can guide a bit / re-say it / cut it down (even if not totally doing it now - just helps me find more meaning and people who obvious see other people as the main 'problem' to solve / improve #mutually from fault of bad people but also the good not working on making something for good in *this* people-to-people way...