#urbit

Me puse a leer sobre #Urbit y oh my dog, es como abrir una fosa séptica y que miles de cucarachas y ciempiés salgan corriendo de allí a infestar todo.

Básicamente es un blockchain neonazi, libertario y ultrarracista que envuelve lo que básicamente es una secta de gente completamente del orto que pretende retrotraernos LITERALMENTE a la Edad Media, pero no la real sino la mítica, la confabulada. Pregonan y desean un nuevo oscurantismo, para citar sólo la puntita del iceberg.

Some thoughts on how curiosity can make us fall for schemes and give passive support to projects we'd otherwise wouldn't.

Today I received an email newsletter from #Urbit. I'm a subscriber, because many many years ago, I became very curious about the technical aspects around it. This was roughly during Bitcoin's early days, when the fascination with projects that defeated Zooko's triangle overcame the concern with consequences that had not, as of yet, become manifest. I also was not aware to what extent urbit's designer was not only a fascist, but someone who had wilfully embedded feudal logic into the protocol. After acquiring a couple of free planets (I think they were called spaceships back then), I fiddled some with it, and became disappointed with the extremely weak typing system and the fact all the "down to principles of computing" sale was a scam, in the sense that anything practical can't run on Urbit other than by calling non-Urbit code (jets). The prospect of having a system that slowly freezes into perfection is a good one, but without proofs it is all arbitrary. Likewise, the choice of language made it very hard for me to program with it: by chance or not, Hoon and NOK are almost custom-designed to be tough for blind programmers. After a while I lost interest and the promise of a system that lasts forever didn't take long to break, so my credentials became useless.

Now in this newsletter I got offered a free planet, and yes, a big part of me said, "try it, take it." Curiosity and perhaps the fear of missing out on something good prodded at me, and I did open the website.

But this time I stopped myself in time. I may agree that computing as it exists is a bad model, and that we need something that individuals can understand, that is deterministic, legible, and hardens into an optimum system. But Urbit isn't that. Urbit will never be that. It's a fascist political project wrapped in a technical vision that, while having a couple of good ideas, is ill-conceived in its means and ends. I don't really want to touch that again.

Shrubbery: Application Development For Urbit By Liam Fitzgerald

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgcVk9iXYa8

#urbit #hoon

@BeAware I get that. It's much more than allowing the various flavors of social networks to intercommunicate. Interoperability is a fundamental objective. But without being technically proficient and running your own fediverse instance, how can one maintain control of their data? I'm skeptical about #urbit and its attempt to displace "the internet."

I've been reading about the #fediverse and #activitypub There's a plethora of stuff about both online, but it's quite difficult to understand. Is there a simple explanation out there? I mean, I get it basically from a technical perspective, but how do I explain why it's a better way to a layman? Another thing, what's good about #urbit ?

Reading about Urbit and Dimes Square and it’s both sad and scary. Is the world really turning this much to the right? Is this the “new” culture. I’m sure it’s not as simple as that but just knowing there are people who believe or want to live in this neoreactionary world? https://thepointmag.com/politics/final-fantasy-neoreactionary-politics-liberal-imagination/ #urbit #DimesSquare #neoreactionary

thinking about that time at the #urbit company that the CEO-at-the-time (who wound up getting sued by Yarvin for something like fraud/misrep/breach, iirc) told us that his vision included thought-monitoring shock collars, that he would wear, that run urbit and go zap when he commits wrongthink

we quit the #urbit company when we realized that they were more serious about fascism and misogyny than they were about the tech we were supposed to be building

@solene @rudi @solenepercent First, no compiling if your RAM is limited. So scrap Gentoo unless you’re compiling elsewhere.

Frankly, I would consider DOS, because that’s the kind of machine it was designed for. No networking though.

Or you could go the other way and try #Urbit.

@monad_cat

Seems like a good idea. Lots of people want low-impact instances. However, depending on how widely you federate... you may be ending up needing a lot more storage and power than seems obvious for a small node.

Then again, there might be a place for a new #fediverse that like #urbit and #solid is based around each person being a server with control over their own data.

Bonus points if it has cryptographic backup to the network.

Anyway, the #Urbit conference is over. I might go to one more party tonight.

Why did I even go? I currently can’t even program in Hoon, I completely forgot it all. I went because it was in the town where I live and I have friends in that community I could go meet. Totally worth it. Also Urbit is becoming good.