Since I've taken up this platform I've only put out one post "of my own" and that was really just a test to see if anyone would engage on this strange, new place I was checking out. I prefer to respond to other people and discuss what's on their minds rather than to put my own topics out there. But this has really been bugging me lately, so I'm going to throw it out there and if no one cares then nothing changes and I'll keep kicking it around in my own mind.

If you don't want to hear or think about COVID feel free to tune out now and not follow along with the rest of my thoughts.

I am really interested in what people have to say here, and I welcome any real life thoughts on the subject whether you are having the same experiences or not. What I'm really not interested in is any "COVID isn't real" or "plandemic" nonsense and I'll block accordingly.

@BE I'm so grateful that you posted this thread. Our little family have been extremely careful and haven't been sick--with anything--for nearly three years. We're lucky to have friends who 'indulge' our cautiousness. But we know many people who suffer from lingering symptoms or who have developed serious conditions. Hardly anyone wants to admit they even had Covid. 1/

@micropainter

A sincere thank you for taking the time to respond. Your experience and ours are remarkably similar.

We've discussed it in our house going into 2023 and we're all still 100% on board with the plan, so into the next semester of homeschool we go this week!

@BE Perhaps it's because we homeschooled our kid for many years that we were prepared in some ways? Or perhaps because we all have strong science backgrounds and make evidence-based decisions about our health? Or just dumb luck because dear friends caught it bad in early 2020, so we were cautious right away?

It's so painful to watch friends and family waking up to the reality of the dangers of repeat infections a little late.

@micropainter

Why some people were cautious right away and some weren't and then some have stayed cautious and other's haven't has been something I've spent a lot of time thinking about. The ones that gets me more than anything are the ones who were cautious and then suddenly went "Nah, this is all fine." The triggers for that require some serious cognitive dissonance as far as I can tell.

@BE But those who were cautious, then tossed the masks and boosters were following the crowd. I think it can be explained by peer pressure and mass 'hysteria' / movement.

My personal observation is that when 60 percent of people are wearing masks, others will put them on. When we got boosted, friends ask us which pharmacy to go to and got boosted themselves. 1/

@BE Only when there was an imminent threat (choir Covid outbreak) did the behaviour of singers change: next rehearsal cancelled, following rehearsal on Zoom, following rehearsal with 80 percent of the choir wearing masks voluntarily, performance with 25 percent of the choir wearing masks. People look to those around them for behavioural cues--and at leaders, who are modelling "the pandemic is over."

@BE Bellwethers, including political leaders, CMOHs, celebrities, and 'influencers' modelling "pandemic is over, masks/vax are not neccesary / don't work anyway" behaviour have a domino effect. We ALL long for this to be over, too. So the more people don't mask or vax, the more people don't mask or vax, the more this is seen as 'normal.' Even though virus / case / long Covid data says otherwise. That's my two cents, anyway.

@BE One more observation of human nature: NONE of us want to think we have put our health or our loved ones in danger with our decisions. It's too painful. But the pandemic has put parents with school-aged or daycare-aged kids, for example, in an impossible position. And it's just exhausting to analyze every situation for potential danger (exposure).

@micropainter

You're absolutely right on all of that, too. I never take it for granted that we were able to take precautions that others simply couldn't. That's a very different situation than the people who pretend there's no problem with living like 2019.

In our world I worry about those situations in which there's no avoiding the risk. They eventually come up!

@BE@qoto.org @micropainter we too were able to limit contacts and work from home for much of the past three years. My observation: amongst my remote work team of about 20 people, those who have children in daycare or school (about 1/2) seem to be much more prone to viral illnesses, which continually recur. Someone in their family is always unwell, for weeks on end. They have commented the kids don’t bounce back as they once did, though deny it’s Covid. Instead, it’s a bug, cold, flu, etc.

@SmallTownGirl @BE This is frightening. Wondering how insurance companies, public healthcare are going to handle what feels like a tsunami of chronic illness coming our way.

@micropainter @BE@qoto.org I agree, it is very frightening. In addition to chronic illness, I also wonder how schools can function when so many kids are in and so much. How do teachers make it through a curriculum when they are constantly having to go back to previous lessons for those away? How can students move forward when they are missing foundational knowledge?
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@SmallTownGirl @micropainter

Oh absolutely. There's no way to teach a class, in a traditional setting, when there's so many people in and out. Both kids and teachers.

I've become a big fan of online education. Not the stop gap measures that teachers valiantly tried to make work on the fly, but real online schools that have often been doing it for decades. That's a whole other topic, though :)

@micropainter @BE@qoto.org yes, it is a different topic, and an important one. Due to some health issues when I was in high school, pre online, I did a few courses via distance education. It worked well and allowed me to graduate with my peers, something that motivated me back in the day. Since then I’ve taken many online courses, certificates and my Masters degree. Definitely prefer the interaction of a cohort. It can work, very effectively!

@SmallTownGirl @BE We homeschooled our kid through junior high, which was the right choice for her. Some of it was online, which worked well. More recently, she did a year of online during the 2021 pandemic year--but she was lucky to have one full-year drama class that was in person. The mix worked well--campus was like a ghost town, but the small drama class became a little cohort. The teachers were very strict about pandemic restrictions, so no one got sick that entire year.

@micropainter @BE@qoto.org that sounds like a best case scenario. The opportunity to do some in person learning with precautions seems like a much better option than all in person with no restrictions.

@SmallTownGirl @micropainter

I completely agree. My kids are currently in an online school that's been open for over 20 years. As a fairly well educated human being married to a teacher I can tell you that the curriculum's better and the results for my kids are better than what we were getting from our local brick and mortar school which is quite well rated.

@BE@qoto.org @micropainter Ratings don’t mean much when the world has pivoted. The presence of so many very contagious viruses is going to impact student ability to learn effectively. I wonder if students be able to meet the standards that were in place pre-pandemic?

@SmallTownGirl @micropainter

Oh absolutely. I should have been more clear and that's my fault. The online school has been better than pre-pandemic brick and mortar.

@BE@qoto.org @micropainter I think it was me who was unclear. I was musing about whether the current assessment metrics will be achievable for the many students who are experiencing long Covid, especially brain fog and the resulting impact on cognitive function. It’s a bit frightening to think there will be a generation of students who may not be capable of learning as well as previous ones.

@SmallTownGirl @micropainter

My wife tells me about students of hers who were formerly great students who now just can't find the words to make it through tests. I definitely worry about this a lot.

@BE@qoto.org @micropainter losing that capacity on the scale we are is not going to end well for individuals, families, communities, society.
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