Banksy: The British government is censoring people too much
British government [thinking very hard]: We must censor Banksy
@cmconseils Please don't confuse this with 'British people want hate-speech to be legal'. Only fascists want that, and the foolish people who they have convinced that humans shouldn't have any rights to be protected from abuse.
@woo @cmconseils British people have an important legacy of freedom of speech/religion/press/etc, and of their government periodically squelching those rights, like they've been doing dramatically recently. I hope this means the pendulum is going back in the right direction!
@woo @cmconseils Even if PA is spewing anti-semitic hate, they should still be allowed to protest, as long as it stays peaceful. Hate speech laws literally means violent suppression of peaceful protests! It makes martyrs out of the haters, helping their cause.
@iwein @ech @cmconseils 3 is ambiguous. Do you think PA, Islam haters, 'Zionists' (which definition?) or the Labour Party are fascists? Labour are displaying authoritarian tendencies again but that isn't fascism because they aren't doing it for Far Right reasons, which is part of the definition. Keir seems more controlling than I prefer. He's only helping the LibDems at this point.
@woo
I meant that more and more people in the UK are fascist. Putting blame on a particular class of people is not what I intend.
PA is definitely not fascist, they're resistance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism has strong characteristics of fascism. The authoritarian leaders of Israel calling people vermin and exterminating them in a genocide are fascists. Their supporters are fascists too.
The UK seems to be supporting Israel in a genocide at the moment. (1/2)
@woo
On Labour:
It's foolish to think just because "they aren't doing it for Far Right reasons" that they are not fascist in any way shape or form. Fascism creeps into non-fascist places until they can't defend themselves against it anymore and become indistinguishable from fascism itself.
Resist before it's too late, don't worry too much about where you make your stance, just make sure you're facing in the right direction.
@ech @cmconseils No, it doesn't under British law. You only have to encourage hatred or violence. I agree with this. I don't know what PA did to be proscribed because the government failed to explain, as they have done a lot lately. "Ah but you don't know how bad they are" didn't persuade anyone. People are cross about that but they could speak up for Palestinians without supporting PA. Instead, they choose to break the (apparently silly) law, unnecessarily. Both 'sides' seem wrong to me.
@ech
1. PA is anti-zionist, their actions, and their supporters' speech are not from hate, but compassion.
2. Civilized people don't tolerate fascism, hence anti hate speech laws predating PA.
3. UK is becoming fascist, hence proscription of PA.
Not sure what point you're trying to make, but the chosen example ruined it for me. Punch some Nazi's and have a great day!
@woo @cmconseils