I'm working on an intellectual dive into the concept of "justice".
Not specific instances, but rather the core concept at a conceptual level.
Does anyone have any interesting takes on what justice is? articles worth reading?
@Harry_Pottash
Lady Justice wears a blindfold, and holds her sword in one hand and her set of scales in the other.
Justice seems to have both the sense of balancing something that has been tipped, and the sense of transforming something wrong into something right.
@Bert Yep, The sword often also symbolizes "dividing or dissecting" (I.E. reductive logic), Though I think that that attribution is more recent (1400s)
I'm also curious if she has always had the blindfold, which I always took to mean impartiality... Seems like that is a enlightenment idea.
The scales, I think, Probably go all the way back to Egypt. Also are sort of obvious and logical. Play into this theory that I have that part of justice is "accurate measurement"
@Harry_Pottash Even though interpreting the sword to symbolize reductive logic rather than law enforcement feels like sanitization, I really like it. Makes me want to think of more physical objects/tools that can represent modes of thinking, in a "Metaphors We Live By" sense.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34459.Metaphors_We_Live_By
@Bert
Yeah, I chased that "sword as reductive logic" one down. It's not true :(
For what it's worth "Sword as reductive logic" is a traditional association within western hermetic mysticism. Also associated with air, intellect and the mind.
@Harry_Pottash That's... I've been getting into alchemy lately even though it's risque and all written in bird language. But you don't seem like a woo type either?
@Bert
Ha! I'm super full time #woo.
If I had to pick a single descriptor for myself, it would probably be "Ceremonial Magician".
Also in a sort of gap from getting ordained as an interfaith chaplain.
I think a lot of very _very_ casual practitioners give the magical traditions a bad name. The space contains a lot of clear thinkers ( check out J.M. Greer https://thearchdruidreport-archive.200605.xyz/2017/05/index.html )
@Harry_Pottash So far my understanding is that the magic part isn't the trick; the magic is the "Wow" of the people you have tricked. You can wow yourself too, but obviously self transfiguration is dangerous.
I deeply appreciate the druidic communion with nature, but find the idea of going back to willowbark tea depressing unless you have the analysis tools to make sure you're getting the dose right, and the idea that a good future still involves poppy resin costing an arm and a leg inhumane.
@Bert
One of the better definitions of magic that I have heard, and use myself is "magic is the art and science of causing changes in consciousness in accordance with will."
It is in no way anti-science or anti-modern-medicine though it does tend to see those both as being not-completely-perfected systems (I.E. medicine is not a solved problem, and may not even have all of it's variables on the table, and I really wish people would stop pretending it was as a solved problem)
@Harry_Pottash Curious to find out how much of this attempted tootlength representation of afaik idiosyncratic ideas you will find coherent :P
@Bert
I seem to not quite understand something about the UI here, because I can't find the thread that this was part of?
I'm transhumanist. Our recent reliance on metals for their obedience (mirrors? Narcissus caught in a trance?) has made us both arrogant and lonely. But genetic engineering is terrifying to people because they would rather not take any personal responsibility for the future. They just want to leave it in a god's hands. Not the government, a fake god. Moloch the unchained.
Lately I've been comparing two semiplausible paths forward. We could continue our path of hyperspecialization and helpless reliance on exploitative nanny states, becoming like eukaryotic cells puppeted by the greedy sheltered neurons (CAPITalism, head-ism) and consigned to apoptosis; or, we aim to become a school of semiautonomous fish, free to find our own places among the stars, by becoming hives/colonies utilizing nonviolent central authority and vigilante justice on the way.
To do that, I think we need to better understand team formation and breakup in multiagent systems.
________
"From the heart of all matter
Comes the anguished cry --
Wake, wake, great Siva,
Our body grows weary
of its law-fixed path,
Give us new form.
Sing our destruction
That we gain new life"
-Rabindranath Tagore
________
"How could you wish to become new unless you first become ashes!"
-Freidrich Nietzche
________
https://search.proquest.com/docview/305181758
The first time I figured out how to accelerate narrative momentum, I flooded my apartment and got carried out on a gurney. That was my birthday, June 1. The plot has been thickening too fast for me to handle since then. August/Armpit was another dangerous month. I tried to join a sustainable community inspired by Asimov's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress:
http://www.windward.org/2.0/resources/essays/abiotic-walt-2010.php#
But it turned out to be not a polyfidelous line family anymore, but now a serial harem of a patriarch old guy who saw it as a system for collecting women who will have sex with anyone and using sex to motivate beta hangers-on men to join and work in the community.
His skills of social manipulation and moving the Overton window of the idea on me over time were very fascinating, but they also revealed to me deep father issues in myself and lack of self worth related to being female, judging by how susceptible my mind was to his assault. He convinced me the community was in the perfect strategic location for a seasteading institute at one point. I was trying very hard to rationalize what he said as true, because I wanted the opportunity to be real. If I didn't have my boyfriend/vgr to talk some sense into me, I probably would have just gotten used.
Now we're onto the Eternal-est of Septembers.
I don't think your assessment is correct; I think vgr is convincing people that they personally can view themselves as gods. As unique and free entities, rather than mere role-fillers.
Two overt recent evidences:
_______
The Zeroth Mile
Last line: "You are basically a god, whether or not you like the power or responsibility of being one."
https://mailchi.mp/ribbonfarm/the-zeroth-mile?e=ac921b5cb5
(Ugh this one speaks to me, I have a serious health issue with my atoms-first worldview)
___
How Do You Value a Human Being?
(god I feel so useless)
"There is no intrinsic valuation of humans and arguably there shouldn’t be. That does not mean we’re all valued equally as humans of equal dignity though. We’re all very different species of spherical cows in a narrative economy of notional values and functions. The minimum may be H but there is no known maximum. That’s why we are able to tell ourselves that some of us might be gods."
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2018/08/30/how-do-you-value-a-human-being/
________
He published that one after the early- Armpit fiasco, and after this conversation:
VGR: Bedtime point to ponder: acceleration without disruption?
Can it be done?
BERT: No?
1) Atoms reason: You gotta factor in Liebig's law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig%27s_law_of_the_minimum
Tech |break|throughs have a chunky, spiky impact on the supply chain as all of a sudden you have a new use for X resource. How to mitigate disrupting the ecosystem, except for people to give the borg extremely valuable market secrets ahead of acting on them?
2) Bits reason: Kuhn's paradigm shifts apply to narratophysical reality. Buying an automobile, mobile phone, or plane ticket is an A/B worldfuck.
VGR: I hadn’t heard of Liebig’s law, interesting idea. I wonder if it is weaker with imaginative beings who can use abundance vectors in novel ways to get around scarcity bottleneck resources. Past a basic survival point humans don’t *have* to do any particular thing.
BERT: You can't use oxygen in place of carbon, but you can maybe use oxygen to get more carbon.
Revisit Ashby's law, https://firstlaw.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/ashbys-law/amp/
and compare:
You can't use a person in place of food, but you can maybe use a person to get more food.
Recursively, a person who can view the two statements as either equivalent or not plays better than a person who can’t see the difference, or who can’t un-see it.
...
etymonline.com/word/govern#etymonline_v_9088
I want to believe cybernetics is all that, because "cybernet" and "governor" are basically the same word with different letters. I want to believe we’re ready to start steering Spaceship Earth. But the academic field looks sidelined, for some mysterious reason?
_________
Apparently cybernetics is a bullshit extrapolation of control theory, and control theory aims at spherical cows. So if I want to learn to play infinite games, I don't know where else to go because I am #literallyGaia
How do I find a ceremonial magician or competent interfaith chaplain who can help me investigate vgr's application of daemons? This is @Bert, obviously.
