So many tech bros are coming at me right now arguing that yes, in fact, Windows users or Facebook users don't deserve privacy.

Busting out the bold markdown for this: you're wrong.

Everyone deserves privacy.

"If you use Facebook, you know what they're doing."

I don't care. You still deserve privacy. Full stop.

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@veronica What should we *do* about it though?
I've tried to red-pill people around me on privacy. Some people can see my point but others completely do not. My cousin and aunt actively make fun of me for it. What am I supposed to do in a situation like that? Force them to at gunpoint?
They do try to respect *my* privacy. My aunt won't take a picture of me if I tell her not to because it gets uploaded to iCloud. I've never asked that of my cousin (her son) but probably the same. Isn't that all I can ask for? Isn't that all many other people in the same boat can ask for?

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@light @veronica I've had some luck explaining it to people how it can cost them money.

"What if your son doesn't get an interview for a job he really wants because of a comment he made on instagram or discord?"

I explain it in terms of cattle chutes. Before, they didn't have the processing or storage power to effectively use this kind of information as a sieve or a bludeon. Now they do and by the time most people realize what that means it will be too late.

@gabbywheels
> Before, they didn't have the processing or storage power to effectively use this kind of information as a sieve or a bludeon. Now they do
How can I prove that to them in concrete terms that will hit home rather than in hypotheticals?
@veronica

@light @gabbywheels convincing family is going to be exceptionally difficult, even more so than a coworker or classmate, because that comes with a lot of other baggage. I understand the frustration, but if they didn't take you seriously, just try not to make every family conversation centered around tech privacy - you've said your piece and they'll come to you if/when ready.

If you want concrete, rather than hypothetical examples, use 404 Media's reporting on Flock.
404media.co/tag/flock/

@light @veronica
People need to understand that if you are identified as a person making a comment online that it comes with every string attached and your opinion's relationship to your identity can cost you your job, or even your life, as some protestors and journalists have found out over the years.

Anonymity and privacy is a way to clear the room and let people breathe. No more cameras, no more microphones, no more chains on "you". It's freedom, liberation. It's far more than tin-foil-ery.

@light @veronica

Well, maybe if you've given unsolicited advice before and been told that it was unwelcome, you should stop trying to *do* anything about it at all.

@stevegis_ssg
Then in what sense do they "deserve" privacy if they don't even want it?
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