@philbaker1 the fact that so much in-person chat at FOSS conferences happens in Telegram has always rubbed me the wrong way. For quite some time, I didn’t have a Telegram account, but I wouldn’t get invited out to dinner or drinks, or wouldn’t know what was happening at or around the conference.
Hopefully this serves as a wake-up call as to why relying on a centralized, unencrypted, proprietary messaging service for critical organizing is not acceptable.
@cassidy I think Telegram won hearts of many Linux users due to their really good desktop app. Let that be a memento for others (I'm looking at you, @signalapp) that desktop apps with native experience matter. @philbaker1
@sesivany @cassidy @signalapp @philbaker1 IMO Telegram Desktop is neither a "really good" app, nor a native one. I mean, it's not a web app wrapped into Electron, that much is true, but that's such a low bar.
There's https://github.com/melix99/telegrand, where they're developing an actual native GNOME app, but it's nowhere near complete yet.
@bugaevc @sesivany @cassidy @signalapp @philbaker1
Also this Telegrand native app for GNOME is only possible because Telegram developed TDlib, which Telegrand is based on, and they even provided a reference implementation in Telegram X. It's stated even into the README you linked.
What the hell does Telegram have to do? They developed very good **native clients** for 5 major platforms and even provided a library so that everyone can build their own!
@bugaevc @sesivany @cassidy @signalapp @philbaker1
Compare this to Signal, that is hostile even to non-official third party clients and theirs are very bad!
Signal getting mentioned only because of e2ee that is an option on Telegram... oh it's not the default and not full featured (Signal is not featured anyway)!
At this point forget Signal and only mention Matrix.