proprietary/online products: *exist*

users: "better keep notes local and in a standard format!"

users: "right, but also using tools is important for the same reasons, Obsidian is not FOSS, on the other hand there is this new app called Logseq..."

Obsidian users: "it's nice that everyone can use what suit them the best :)"

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@post I’m *really* liking Logseq, but for different things than I use Obsidian for.

I’m finding Logseq ideal for dealing with the messiness of daily life—for things I need to remember and refer to now and in the coming days but won’t necessarily need long-term, which is different from the way I use Obsidian.

Rather than alternatives, I now see them as complementary tools with different though overlapping capabilities—more like Photoshop and Illustrator than Photoshop and Gimp.

@EpiphanicSynchronicity

I don't remember if I already asked you, but what's the difference between Logseq's Document Mode and Obsidian? I don't see why one would open another app when in Logseq you can just press `t,d` to hide bullet points and write paragraphs of text in blocks like in any "longform writing" app.

@post

That’s not the only reason I use #ObsidianMD. It produces cleaner, more portable markdown documents, and I can use folders, which are to organization what plaintext is to data. Just as plaintext guarantees that I can always edit my notes in any text editor, a basic folder structure means I’ll always be able to navigate them in any file manager.

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### About Markdown:

- I can write a page in Document Mode in Logseq using first level blocks as paragraphs and indented ones as lists;
- if I remember to press `t,o` shortcut to expand all collapsed blocks the `collapsed:: true property` is removed;
- if I don't reference any of those blocks I am free from `id::` properties too;
- I can remove the first two columns of characters from the file to turn first level blocks into paragraphs and get more "standard" Markdown files with a simple Unix command;
- I can concatenate that command to Pandoc that I use to export to PDF so I don't need to actually edit the MD files;

This is more complex to explain than practicing, so for me there is not a reason to split data and workflows between two apps that would be a huge disadvantage.

### About folders:

- Logseq frees me from having to choose a hierarchy, to stick to it and to decide where to place something;
- I can have as many hierarchies as I want to organize pages (and blocks and whatever) and the same element can be in multiple hierarchies;
- I can still organize MD files in folders independently from Logseq that will just respect my folder graph organization; this is useful if there is a set of pages I want to share between graphs (I can symlink a folder) or share a specific folder with other people etc.

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