How come American (or maybe just New York?) housing projects are built at angles to the street grid? Berlin projects tend to be parallel to the street, just set back from it. Cc @mcmansionhell

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@Alon I guess it depends on the size and shape of the city blocks

@tormeh Right, but New York block shape makes the commieblock style - long blocks of buildings with continuous unbroken massing parallel to the street with setbacks - easier rather than harder.

@Alon Commieblocks are expensive, especially if you want to build them high, as you sometimes can on Manhattan. Dividing it up into smaller projects might lower the risk a bit in the eyes of financiers.

But to be honest it's probably because the lots were shaped like that by the local government when they were first sold or allocated. Legacy rules the world.

@tormeh But New York specifically puts the projects in megablocks, where several city blocks are joined together...

@Alon Sure, but joining several lots might be complicated for some reason? You have to find two or more neighbors that are all willing to sell simultaneously, each of which individually seeks to squeeze as much money out of the buyer as possible

@tormeh I'm talking about housing projects, which look like this. No, it's not about lot shape.

@Alon oh, I think that one is famous. Not sure if it generalizes in any way

@Alon @tormeh I think that was just the dominant design philosophy at the precise moment those were built. Other NYC public housing, like the stuff near me in Brooklyn is parallel to the street.

@bklyngap @tormeh NY projects look cruciform from the top. Commieblocks look elongated, rather like the buildings of Morningside Gardens.

@Alon @tormeh yeah but look at Gropiustadt. Karl Marx Allee was also a very specific project as I understand it.

@bklyngap @tormeh Gropiusstadt isn't a commieblock, it's a socdemblock... but anyway, it doesn't really have cruciform buildings in the style of New York (and neither does Märkisches Viertel). Western Plattenbau projects aren't as consistently street-parallel as commieblocks but they're not cruciform.

@Alon @bklyngap @tormeh I wonder if this has to do with the access requirements-- might be easier to fit two stairwells and an oversized elevator in the center of the crosses rather than in a linear building?

I think also everything in Berlin is just shorter — nothing is over 10 stories right?

@bklyngap @tormeh @Alon commieblocks can come in many shapes but that X shape with a big central area without a window does not make sense in almost any large panel system common in the east
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