A Concerned Scientist @BE@qoto.org
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Unpopular opinion, but true. We live in Florida and have made the decision to move, but, that doesn't negate the fact that DeSantis didn't foment a coup and he's not an illegal dictator. He barely won his first election, but he gained 600,000 more votes over that in his second election.
I've lived in 5 different states in my adult lifetime and he's by far the most popular politician I've ever seen. The people of Florida, mostly, love him. I do not. Therefore, it's probably not the place for me.
I tell people from outside of the state to point at Florida and make the decision not to become like it, but demanding DeSantis' overthrow from afar(as I often hear) isn't really democratic.
My follows are locked, but I was too today. I just rejected the follow.
Going to preface this with a disclaimer:
The CDC says that birds don't host COVID-19
But, something to think about when we suddenly have an avian flu that's more persistent than has been seen previously:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3209365/
https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/wild-birds-are-neglected-hosts-for-coronaviruses
The response was to "no supplement ever offered any benefit whatsoever" which even 100 years ago was untrue. It's a very modern take, and a very first world take.
My point is, and this is the last I'll say about it, that many people on the planet today could benefit greatly from supplementation, but they are unlikely to be the ones to get it.
@maggiejk@mstdn.social
Can't help but notice that the dates you mention are around 8 months apart, too. For the variants at that time there were a couple of papers out that said the average timeframe between infections would be every 8 months. Obviously it's possible to get it more often, but that was an expected average timeframe. Unfortunately, I believe that with the current variants getting better at avoiding our immune systems that's likely to go down.
But, yes, this could have been written by a couple of families that I know as well. It's a really sad state of affairs we find ourselves in as a society.
I've read this a few times now, and it really burns me up how it was ignored and downplayed every time. I was "that guy" too. When school closed in 2019 for winter break I'd already been watching news out of China and I told everyone I knew to be vigilant. By New Year's I warned everyone that it was inevitable and wasn't being properly monitored.
I had no idea that we'd(probably) already had it. Looking back all of the signs are there, but we were in the dark at the time.
The school had spent two weeks before winter break sending home notices that a "weird flu"(their words) was circulating and they were having a hard time getting it under control so we all needed to be vigilant about keeping sick kids home.
My older child's best friend's dad got sick and died suddenly of "pneumonia" in late December 2019. As an aside, they don't believe COVID exists even today. Drives me insane...
We all had this lingering sickness for most of December and all of January. Looking back I'd texted with my dad and my best friend talking about how I just couldn't shake it and it was making it hard to breathe when I worked out, so I'd given up on that for the time being. "Getting fat over the holidays!" haha so funny...My Apple Watch shows that I had statistically significant heart rate changes at the time, too. Never put it together in the moment because we were being told it wasn't here.
By the time it was getting more attention and the schools were going to close imminently in March I had a molar tooth suddenly rot and fall out. My dentist was shocked as I'd had perfect teeth just months earlier.
Anyway, I think about all of this every time I read this.
Jha said "commercialization" of COVID care was great back in August, so we all had to know this was coming. That's all this is about.
The government takes it off of their plate, the private sector rakes in money and donates some of it back to those same politicians. It's, literally, the way our system works, sadly.
Completely agreed. My in-laws' doctor is one of the mega-dose Vitamin D people. They live in Florida and get plenty of sunshine. He's got no reason behind it, just that it'll work miracles. I know where you're coming from.
Just goes to show, as another example, that the people who probably need Vitamin D aren't getting it while my in-laws, with excellent health insurance, throw that health insurance money away pretty frequently on random things because some quack told them to.
I agree with your overall point, but there's some nuance that's missing if I may. 99.999% of your progenitor line also had a much shorter lifespan.
The problem, to me, with the supplement industry really is that the people who need it most aren't going to be the ones getting it. Just think about the infamous study on prison inmates and vitamins from the early 2000's. Most people who take supplements already eat fairly healthy. It's also a whole lot easier to take a multivitamin that figuring out exactly what's missing from your regular diet. But, again, the people who think about that are already the least likely to need it.
Personally, I know Zinc is an important part of the immune system. Zinc has shown no benefit guarding against COVID in one study, and a bit of a benefit in another. Do I get enough Zinc in my diet? Questionable. So I pop a Zinc gummy every day. Am I going to go see a doctor and get blood work and check my Zinc levels before doing that? No.
But the larger point, IMO, here is that most of the advances that led to longer lifespans over the last 50+ years were on the margins. A little healthier here and a little healthier there. The pandemic's essentially undone all of that. We've seen a nearly 3 year drop over two years with more coming later this year, I'm sure.
Mega-dosing Vitamin D isn't going to help that.
Just to make myself clear, which I realize I didn't, and not to argue it with you I'd like to add that when I said paragraph 3 I'm pointing to "harassment" which is problematic in Florida.
"In Florida, both harassment and stalking involve behavior that distresses another person, and both are loosely defined. Florida defines harassment as behavior that causes substantial emotional distress to a person and serves no legitimate purpose."
https://legalbeagle.com/6369919-harassment-stalking-laws-florida.html
This is the state in which people complain all of the time, and have enshrined law to combat, about talking positively about black people in history because it causes emotional distress to white kids.
Given our experiences here in Florida I absolutely believe that wearing a mask will be made out to be "emotionally distressing" to those not wearing a mask and they will point to the COVID Czar himself, Jha, stating that there's no study that says that masks are effective.
I should have made that clear up front instead of saying "paragraph 3" but I hadn't had enough caffeine at that point in my day yet :)
We'll agree to disagree for the most part on this. This has been a largely academic discussion prior to the pandemic discussing how people have, in fact, been arrested for wearing a mask in public that's going to become real for people in a few months.
https://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html
https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/grggenl17&div=35&id=&page=
I'm not a lawyer, but, I disagree. I did bring this up elsewhere in the thread, not that I would expect anyone to read it all and find it. It doesn't ignore 15 or 16, to me, on multiple points.
It's the enforcement, right? The local police certainly believe it's applicable, and this law has, in fact, been used against people wearing masks for allergies and chemical sensitivities *prior* to the pandemic. It has not become more politically acceptable over the last three years down here.
As for the exemptions, it doesn't meet any of them.
As for the applicability I assumed elsewhere that it met paragraph 3 and I believe that's what local law enforcement believes as well.
In the end, I'm going to say it one more time just for emphasis, it's all about the enforcement. It wasn't *intended* for people wearing an N95 for allergies, but it's been used as such before.
@RebelGeek99 @Billius27@mstdn.ca
Yeah, I've heard exactly that from healthcare workers.
I'm in an area where everyone's on septic and the hospital doesn't test. I just assume everyone else has COVID at all times.
I've found that mask to be the best fit for me, personally. Love it.
Great info, just would have liked to see a deeper dive on it from a paper or something. Thank you for sharing!
@RebelGeek99 @Billius27@mstdn.ca
The state, as an entity, stopped tracking and giving regular updates. Hospitals are still required to put out some numbers.
In no way would I suspect that it's anywhere near complete, and I've talked quite a bit about this, but, there's a lot of places in Florida where there's breakdowns in reporting.
Each county has MEs that have to sign off on death certificates and they're often COVID deniers. From what I've heard locally many of them supposedly haven't signed off on a single COVID death certificate yet. Some hospitals, even, like my own local one, don't do any COVID tests at all anymore. Period. So they're a zero eternally.
All of that to say that if they dumped 751 in one day(and there are some numbers that trickle out from Florida every couple of weeks) it's almost certainly a lot more than that.
One of the real problems here is that the FDA and CDC have conflicting info(the CDC hasn't updated their since August 11th, 2022) and there's no real oversight anyway, so most companies are just making up their own policies at this point using parts of the CDC's 5-day guidance to suit their own cases.
The CDC deals with the FDA's ideas with a simple footnote basically saying to ignore testing as a criteria which has led to even less testing:
As noted in the Food and Drug Administration labeling for authorized over-the-counter antigen tests, negative test results do not rule out SARS-CoV-2 infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or patient management decisions, including infection control decisions.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/isolation.html
@Billius27@mstdn.ca
Florida dumped data showing 751 COVID deaths on January 21st and I haven't seen a single mention of it anywhere.
Awesome info there. Do you have a link to a study on this?
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