@ansugeisler@scholar.social
I copied and pasted from Miriam Webster, the dictionary. Is there a better dictionary definition to use?

@SecondJon @ansugeisler It's a question of means and ends. In terms of means fascism and communism are quite similar, both reject any limit on state power, or at least skew so strongly towards state power that any limits they acknowledge are academic.

But their ends are entirely at odds. Fascism is authoritarianism in one nation, and each nation has their own flavor to suit the taste of its rulers. Communism is universalist, claiming authority over the entire world, and allowing for no competing institutions or loyalties.

Antifa terrorists have a patchwork of deranged ideas which are more a mental illness than a political philosophy.

@judgedread

That would mean there's a lot of fighting between groups that share much in their ideologies.

I think this helps untangle it for me - ideology of tactic VS ideological end game. Part of the problem may be that those who agree with fascists on forcing suppression of others is that they label themselves anti fascists, a negative definition, rather than anything positive. Are they generally communist in ideology? I could see not wanting that label and seeking to be seen as "the enemy of my enemy."

I'm so anti fascist that this includes being against using force to suppress oppositional ideas from being spoken aloud. But that apparently makes me an enemy of both any fascists and the "anti fascists".

@ansugeisler@scholar.social

@SecondJon @ansugeisler As I mentioned antifa are crackpots, their ideology does not hold up. They terrorize the right behind the cover of police protection (cops arrest any right wing activist who defends himself against antifa while looking the other way when antifa use weapons to maim so-called fascists) while posing as anarchists.

If the thin blue line of the stodgy capitalist state they despise ever broke antifa would be at the very least beaten by their fascist foes and probably lynched.

The establishment left as represented by Kamala Harris is against free expression and uses similar rhetoric, they are influenced by Marxist concepts and their goal is something like the modern UK or German model where a strong neoliberal state inflicts tolerance by force. Antifa serve as irregular troops to suppress political resistance to this left-authoritarian progream.