@freakboy3742 @glyph @jacob @sgillies I haven't adopted uv anywhere for similar reasons. 100% agreed on money being the magic, it turns out you can do a whole lot with 8 hours a day.
@sethmlarson @freakboy3742 @jacob @sgillies kind of a relief to hear that this is a common sentiment, and maybe I will also remain stalwartly anti-uv until a similar milestone
@glyph @sethmlarson @freakboy3742 @jacob @sgillies As much as I hate VC, I find this whole genre of pearl-clutching around uv weird. FOSS projects flame out all the time too. If Frost loses interest, there’s no PDM anymore. Same for Ofek and Hatch(ling).
I fully expect Astral to flame out and us having to fork/take over—it’s the circle of FOSS. To me uv looks like a genius sting to trick VCs into paying to fix packaging. We’ll be better off either way.
@hynek @glyph @sethmlarson @freakboy3742 @jacob @sgillies Armin wrote about that here in the footnote: https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2024/8/21/harvest-season/
> However having seen the code and what uv is doing, even in the worst possible future this is a very forkable and maintainable thing. I believe that even in case Astral shuts down or were to do something incredibly dodgy licensing wise, the community would be better off than before uv existed.
He's Rust-fluent though!
@simon @hynek @glyph @sethmlarson @freakboy3742 @jacob @sgillies Agreed that it seems net positive for Python's tool ecosystem to get a good rejuvenating shot in the arm. Also positively surprised to see the first Python tool exposing a mode that mimics Go's minimum version model (documented at length at https://research.swtch.com/vgo) that I find extremely impressive and next-gen compared to what conda & pip are doing (as someone who tends to lose whole weekends at a time fixing random breakages in 100+ line dep files).
