@realmaxkeeble well currently the discussion is being discussed in utilitarian terms, about outcomes. You can re-frame the discussion by saying that in both the political and economic realm, it is one's right to have a say in decisions that affect our lives. Regardless of whether or not it leads to "better" outcomes, you ought to have a say in your own life. That's a reasonable right anyone would want
@realmaxkeeble also don't let the implied definition of "good management/leadership" go unchallenged here. He implicitly defines it in terms of The Bottom Line. but that's success in terms of the interests of the owners, not necessarily the interests of the workers. the point of electing your bosses isn't to pick the people best at padding the bottom line, the point is to have a mechanism that encourages management to act in the interests of their employees, because those interests matter and ought to be represented, especially when those interest are antagonistic to the Bottom Line
@illnessideology @realmaxkeeble here in the US we have employee owned companies that are actually tax advantaged (if structured correctly). I've job hopped till I found one and it's wonderful to work for. In our instance the "boss" has to get the permission of about 100 employees to form a majority to make major decisions.
