"There's no WAY he'll win..."
*he wins*
"There's no WAY it's fascism..."
"it's fascism*
"There's no WAY they're going to do a coup Nina..."
*they try a coup*
"There's no way the establishment is gonna let them do fascism"
*the establishment let's them do fascism*
"Come on you're saying Twitter is a NAZI site now cause Elon owns it?"
*Twitter becomes a Nazi site*
"There's no WAY they're going to progrom trans people"
Listen more, talk less; you've been wrong every time you clapped back
@AnarchoNinaWrites @mekkaokereke
Nina… if history has taught us one lesson clearly, without equivocation and repeatedly…
They will choose not to listen… until it is them that “they” come for.
@NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke look, if these people are literally straight up going to f*cking murder me to appease literal f*cking nazis, then they ARE going to hear about why that's exactly what they're doing while it happens. I don't care if they like it, and while I know it's not a solution, there is only ONE solution to fascism and I'm not allowed to open fire yet. Let me yell while I'm clocking time till they come to literally f*cking kill me. Thankx.
@AnarchoNinaWrites @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke that's the problem, we are not allowed to open fire before they are in charge. And later folks will say "why haven't you done anything?"
@Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke Man, and I ain't picking on anyone in this thread, but you know for a fact that if we started fighting back, half these libs would VOLUNTEER to hunt us down for the nazis as some sort of olive branch.
"Very Serious People" on my news been tryina get me killed for well over a decade now...
@AnarchoNinaWrites @Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke
Nina, You have confused me? Who do you think are the Nazis, The Left or the right?
@Mor696 @Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke what is wrong with your brain?
@AnarchoNinaWrites @Dingsextrem @NerdyBirdie @mekkaokereke
Nothing. I just looking for your Verification here.
@Mor696 I don't work for you; f*ck off.
@AnarchoNinaWrites You put in your Bio you're against Capitalism, that would make you far, far left.
Yet you talk about the libs hunting you for the Nazis, that would make you far, far right.
Just looking for your actual view.
Nina's bio says: anti-capitalist, anarcho-syndicalist. I'll translate for you: that's lefty. Profile pic is a film portrayal of Soviet hero Lyudmila Pavlichenko, you get the idea. (Don't get me wrong, huge fan of the Soviets in the Eastern Front, they literally saved the world.)
These "libs" she's complaining about are not radical enough, you see – they support some of what she says, but she imagines they'd try to get her to stop tilting at the Nazi windmills that she sees all around if she were to start getting violent.
@chairgirlhands @Mor696 I know what she *means*, of course. (She's quite clear, and probably doesn't need you to reword everything she says.)
@ech @chairgirlhands
I don't want to reword anything. I was truly confused. Instead of telling me to fuck off a simple honest answer would have been nice.
Name calling and telling people to F*uck off is what I would have expected on twitter.
@Mor696 @chairgirlhands This is no better than twitter in that respect, sorry to say. You and I both got blocked by OP here it seems, due to our replies being something other than enthusiastic agreement and lament. That's how it is quite often on instances like mastodon.social.
@chairgirlhands @ech
I have NEVER used the term "tilting at Nazi windmills" in my life!
Someone else said that TO ME!
The entire pretext of the Nazis was to destroy the upper class & have everyone work for the government.
As for Auschwitz, I've been there & I can tell you the single purpose of it and the other extermination camps were to murder!
And not only Jews, but also, Political Opposition & the Elite.
I think you may to study just a little more about the Nazis.
@Mor696 @chairgirlhands I said the windmill thing, but not to you.
@chairgirlhands @ech Again it wasn't me who said it.
If you're going to call me out, at least know what you're talking about!
@Mor696 VH is replying to me there.
@Mor696 Violet's "you accused someone..." post is objecting to my characterization of why I got blocked. She's not wrong: I was probably blocked for the windmill thing, as she says.
I think I was right about why you got blocked, though.
The threading here is maybe throwing you off; if I reply to you, then someone else replies to me, your name is in their reply also, making it look like they replied to you when really they did not – in their reply "you" refers to me, for example.
@ech
Ok thanks for the info. Talk to you later. Time for a nap.
@chairgirlhands @ech
Again with the swearing and name calling?
To begin with Liberals are NOT Socialists which the Nazis was. Nazis were very far left.
Second, America has 2 parties. The Dems & GQP which leaves you 3 basic choices, vote Dem, vote GQP or don't vote.
Every state you listed is being run by the GQP, so they are the current Fascist party.
As for Trans, I likey have bigger support for them than you do, being as I have a friend & a very close family member who are Trans.
@Mor696 the nazis were not far left. They were right wing fascists cosplaying as socialists to get elected into power. As for “who cares more about trans people,” don’t play that game. Neither you, me, or the person you originally replied to know anything at all about each other, so why try to play support Olympics? Finally as for “libs” you can probably safely translate that to “centrists” without losing _too_ much meaning.
@sfrazer434
You're right about not knowing others so why would anyone answer a simple question with Fuck Off?
And the Nazi Party, byname of National Socialist German Workers’ Party. It morphed into the far right state it became.
That is the problem with any far left / right group. They never stay what they started as.
To go away from Capitalism means you expect people to work without any gain. If you work with a large group how many do just enough to get by? That becomes a large portion of us
@Mor696 Try not to let the prickly people get to you. It's probably best to move on. If it makes you feel any better the "fuck off" was directed at me, not you, you just got a polite "f*ck off". 😂
You'll get no resolution about this: she appears to have blocked you. Let's have a friendly discussion about Nazi economic policy instead.
@ech I'm was over her hours ago.
But who are you referring to when you said ...'other than what they said in their propaganda?'
Are you talking about the mainstream media?
@sfrazer434 Well put.
"Nazis were very far left." I'm fine with abandoning the left/right thing, but it's probably not useful to say this; you just aren't meaning the same thing by "left" that anyone else means, so no communication is possible. And they weren't really socialist; they talked about socialist economic policy because it was kinda popular at the time, but never really implemented it to any great extent, IIUC. But even if they did, that isn't the thing anyone cares about with respect to them.
It's not "GQP".
"they are the current Fascist party." Don't be silly. US fascist parties include ANP, the unfortunately-named NSPA, etc. They're disbanded, though, I believe.
Do you take offence the the GOP being called the GQP? They are the party who wholeheartedly embraced QUANON.
MTG talked about Jewish space lasers starting the CA. As one example.
And yes the GOP are definitely Fascist. Look at the similarities.
-Book banning
-Controlling woman reproductive rights
-Attempting to dismantle any and all the LGBTQ+ community have.
Regardless what Trump does he's still loved by his MAGA Cult.
The fascists of WWII did all these things.
@Mor696 @chairgirlhands re. GQP – I thought you were just completely ignorant, TBH.
OK so you're calling someone "fascist" because they're on the other side of a quibble about what age a certain book is appropriate for. Got it. 👍
@chairgirlhands @ech
Yes Hitler did say Socialism is different than Marxism because they are. Socialism is how Hitler brought Germany out of the Great Depression.
It was socialism is what build the Autobahn.
Socialism was a huge contributing factor to how Hitler & Goebbels convinced the German people that Hitler was the saviour of Germany in about 1934.
By 1939 Germany had changed & was fully engulfed in Fascism.
@Mor696 @ech lmfao no the nazis knelt before the private sector and the worker/employer hierarchy. Socialist in name only. The entire nazi project loved capitalism and nazi germany’s economy is in fact the origin of the term “privatization”. They enhanced the powers of the employer; the most extreme example being Auschwitz. Socialism is about guaranteeing everyone’s needs and destroying the concept of private property ie the opposite of what Hitler and the nazis did.
@chairgirlhands @Mor696 Yeah there was definitely a lot of central planning and high tariffs, so far from a capitalist utopia, but I think the whole "socialist" part of the name was pure marketing BS. Darcy are you basing this impression on something other than what they said in their propaganda?
@ech @chairgirlhands
Please verify who 'they' are, in ref to your propaganda comment.
@Mor696 @chairgirlhands I'll reword: Are you basing your impression of Nazi economic policy on something other than the propaganda that the Nazi's published?
The 25-point program, for example, talks a good game about profit-sharing, nationalizing lots of businesses and land, etc. But I think they mostly didn't do that stuff.
@ech @chairgirlhands
Yes I am basing it on years of reading and visiting places in Germany & Poland.
Hitler looked at rich people as a necessary evil he had to appease in order to build the equipment he needed to wage war and hold occupied territories & countries.
He believed everyone should give everything they had to the state, (him).
@ech @Mor696 unfortunately the historical record shows us pretty decisively that a great many liberals are okay with fascism. Idk how you can see the liberals in Germany and Italy capitulating entirely to the NSDAP, and until the war the liberals in most of Europe capitulating to their local fascists.
It was, by and large, anarchists and Marxists and in some places social democrats who actually took on the fash, not your average liberals.
@ech @Mor696 You two are wasting your time.Erik,you know too much-no room for the fudging & warping she needs to make the ideology she espouses work;you would likely call her on it.And you(@mor696 sorry didn't catch a name), you sound knowledgeable,but lack objective organization of your knowledge and so she rejected you(quite rudely & childishly)because in explaining to you,she'd have opened herself up to correction.She's almost an NPC.Drama queen for sure;no one is coming to kill you
PEACE!!✌️
Sorry @DISCOSCOTCH, I have exactly zero idea of what you talking about?
@ech @Mor696 I guess it's a muppet party in here now? Well, you can hold this block too, collaborator.