Oh ffs, get over yourself Elon. It's just a job. People have lives, they're not your servants. Despite what you might want, nowadays nobody has to work like they're in a 19th-century mill. #deadbirdsite
They're getting paid an awful lot of money. Time to work for it.
@amerika I'm not saying they shouldn't. But working long hours for more money should be a right, not an obligation. I'm sure you don't mean to say that workers' rights are a bad thing?
@karlequin @amerika They are not obligated to work there. They can quit any time they like.
They should if they can get the same salary doing less elsewhere.
It seems like a lot of people at Twitter got paid a lot of money to do not that much however.
@amerika @book @karlequin
> They should if they can get the same salary doing less elsewhere.
you really can't, when i was at a big tech job i was being paid like $200k to pretend to look at code and then just walk around the office bothering people and eating snacks for a few months
i found that sort of work and environment to be deeply unsatisfying so i took a very large pay cut to go do different kinds of actual work that i thought was satisfying and beneficial to the world with co-workers i liked and respected more
> They should if they can get the same salary doing less elsewhere.
you really can't, when i was at a big tech job i was being paid like $200k to pretend to look at code and then just walk around the office bothering people and eating snacks for a few months
i found that sort of work and environment to be deeply unsatisfying so i took a very large pay cut to go do different kinds of actual work that i thought was satisfying and beneficial to the world with co-workers i liked and respected more
@rats @amerika @karlequin
>you really can't, when i was at a big tech job i was being paid like $200k to pretend to look at code and then just walk around the office bothering people and eating snacks for a few months
The problem here isn't your employer's greed. He's a corpo. A system. I expect systems to be greedy. The problem here is your greed. Labor's greed. You are offered these deplorable jobs no decent man would take, and you say yes.
>you really can't, when i was at a big tech job i was being paid like $200k to pretend to look at code and then just walk around the office bothering people and eating snacks for a few months
The problem here isn't your employer's greed. He's a corpo. A system. I expect systems to be greedy. The problem here is your greed. Labor's greed. You are offered these deplorable jobs no decent man would take, and you say yes.
@book @amerika @karlequin
> You are offered these deplorable jobs no decent man would take, and you say yes.
i can't disagree. i was curious and i had the skills and ability to get it. i found it unbearably crushing for this reason and wised up and left.
> You are offered these deplorable jobs no decent man would take, and you say yes.
i can't disagree. i was curious and i had the skills and ability to get it. i found it unbearably crushing for this reason and wised up and left.
@rats @amerika @karlequin @book > You are offered these deplorable jobs no decent man would take, and you say yes.
To elaborate on something I've thought for a bit now: people are what destroy a system no matter how good it is. Someone will always say yes to these sorts of things but it's fine unless it builds to the point where no one says no. Where, via the collective forfeiture of dignity, if you try to have any you will be assaulted with indignity at every turn.
I think a lot of people who casually blame, "the system" are the cancer killing every good thing that has ever been built. They are the ones who, when push come to shove, do not have the resolve to just say no, in spite of their expressed dissatisfaction with saying yes and those who do. There's lots of cases: people bitching about the internet, big tech, politics. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. If all you do is jerk off about how bad everything is with you and your dissident buddies. The internet is the most obvious one, it only works off a spirit of cooperation and willingness to just get-along, but you have to be committed to the unpleasant implications that has (because boy does it have some unpleasant ones).
You have to maintain those good things, and to do that you usually have to believe in it, or its spirit if it is corrupted, and believe you me I find that most things are corrupted at this point by decades of neglect and apathy.
Mostly, people get the world they deserve by their (in)action. Some people get a world they don't deserve in either direction, but it's probabilistic. But the complaint about the death of [usenet|the internet|whatever] seems to come right after it gets opened up to a whole lot of people who just don't fucking care, and shrug at you if you do. The internet died when it went in everyone's pocket. Usenet died when AOL let all those fucking September newfags on it. It's more drastic with internet technologies, because it happens all at once, typically. But slow deaths as people convert to the death-cult of apathy happen with anything you build, clubs, communities, governments etc.
t. effort-posting because triggered at being reminded why I loathe the bug-man (no offense directed at you rats who seems to have moved on)
To elaborate on something I've thought for a bit now: people are what destroy a system no matter how good it is. Someone will always say yes to these sorts of things but it's fine unless it builds to the point where no one says no. Where, via the collective forfeiture of dignity, if you try to have any you will be assaulted with indignity at every turn.
I think a lot of people who casually blame, "the system" are the cancer killing every good thing that has ever been built. They are the ones who, when push come to shove, do not have the resolve to just say no, in spite of their expressed dissatisfaction with saying yes and those who do. There's lots of cases: people bitching about the internet, big tech, politics. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. If all you do is jerk off about how bad everything is with you and your dissident buddies. The internet is the most obvious one, it only works off a spirit of cooperation and willingness to just get-along, but you have to be committed to the unpleasant implications that has (because boy does it have some unpleasant ones).
You have to maintain those good things, and to do that you usually have to believe in it, or its spirit if it is corrupted, and believe you me I find that most things are corrupted at this point by decades of neglect and apathy.
Mostly, people get the world they deserve by their (in)action. Some people get a world they don't deserve in either direction, but it's probabilistic. But the complaint about the death of [usenet|the internet|whatever] seems to come right after it gets opened up to a whole lot of people who just don't fucking care, and shrug at you if you do. The internet died when it went in everyone's pocket. Usenet died when AOL let all those fucking September newfags on it. It's more drastic with internet technologies, because it happens all at once, typically. But slow deaths as people convert to the death-cult of apathy happen with anything you build, clubs, communities, governments etc.
t. effort-posting because triggered at being reminded why I loathe the bug-man (no offense directed at you rats who seems to have moved on)
@karlequin @rats @amerika I assure that I did not, and furthermore have nothing to say to you. My error was in not untagging you, which I will be sure to going forward.
The solution to unscrupulous businesses is competition.
Monopoly tends toward tyranny.
Government/taxes increase monopoly.
@karlequin @pwm @rats @amerika
>Sometimes, people need to be protected from themselves
The most evil of all thoughts.
>Sometimes, people need to be protected from themselves
The most evil of all thoughts.
"Sometimes, people need to be protected from themselves"
I agree, which is why we need to abolish unions.
People need a society that rewards contribution and punishes parasites.
@amerika @pwm @karlequin @rats
I guarantee if we abolished teacher's unions & tenure, literacy would rise 20%.
I guarantee if we abolished teacher's unions & tenure, literacy would rise 20%.
I want literacy to lower until only the people who can understand what they are reading can read.
