#uspol Which party has changed? Is agreeing with the other party's still living former presidents being extremist?
@SecondJon
Obviously the Republicans. They've turned out to be complete fascists. Kraterocracy, denial of free speech, fed agent brutality, the works. The middle one the Democrats did, and supposedly the last one as well, But kraterocracy in America is uniquely Trumpian, or at least Millerian.
@light fascinating response to that video of Clinton and Obama
@SecondJon
You claim in your bio to be interested in civility, but this seems more like sarcasm.
@light Interesting take. Do you feel that sarcasm can not be used in a civil conversation?
@light But back to the actual topic of the conversation, no, I wasn't being sarcastic. It is fascinating to interact with someone who in response to a video showing recent democrat presidents formally presenting the same policies that the current republican president is acting on is: That dems haven't changed, it's Republicans who have, and then throwing around fascism and brutality and so on.
It seems disconnected. Which IS fascinating to me. No sarcasm there.
If you showed me a video of Trump saying the opposite of what he's doing now and asked if he's changed... the obvious answer would either be "Yes" or at least something addressing the content of what was shared.
You didn't address the content... at all.
Very different approaches to interaction and thinking about things. Fascinating. Like I said.
@SecondJon Let me be more clear:
There is nothing wrong with wanting to stem illegal immigration or the crossing of criminals (IMHO there is something wrong with being against immigration at all in a country like America where most citizens' ancestors immigrated (or were taken against their will) there relatively recently). There is something wrong with deportations *without due process* and brutality against protestors. That's the extremist bit.
AFAIK, Trump did the latter as well as the former. Did the same go for Clinton and Obama?
I have to admit, I may have American citizenship and am registered as a voter in New York (my dad is from there) but I do not live there and I don't follow the news *that* closely. I live in Wales, UK.
I apologise if I confidently stated a misconception.
I also apologise if I broke the social norms of qoto.org.
@light I know few people who are against immigration altogether, but I do know some, which is odd. I think it's likely a reaction to the American leftists/mainstream media dropping any distinction in how illegal immigration is talked about, just referring to 'immigrants.'
"Deportations without due process" seems to be a political (rather than factual) phrase that's only been used during the current administration. The same with "brutality against protestors." We fall prey to the availability heuristic here, rather than having any factual data to make any kind of comparison.
I do think back to the "kids in cages" that were popularized by american leftists during Trump's first term, with no attention paid to the fact that these were from Obama's administration.
Given the trend of political slogans being taken as actual fact, I think the honest assessment is something more like: "Well, my corporate news sources didn't broadcast this stuff when it was a president they liked."
Which while more honest is a pretty weak statement.
@SecondJon Can you show evidence of previous administrations doing stuff like that, to the same degree as Trump 2.0?
