Olives @olives@qoto.org

Remember https://reason.com/2015/07/23/despite-all-the-panic-millennial-teens-h/

Teens aren't having more sex with porn.

It's also almost certainly not a representative sample. In fact, there's no information at all on the sampling. No idea where it came from or how it was collected.

https://nichegamer.com/toilet-explodes-into-fiery-inferno-in-china/ Toilet catches fire.

I see the "age verification" language now (or that posted on social media), it doesn't seem to cover porn containing sites per se (although, maybe someone could twist it against them, i.e. like Germany seemed to). It is a... worrying one to have on principle, even if it is used in far fewer cases, as it is an inherently privacy intrusive measure (and might even practically prevent someone being able to access content...). In practice, it might wind up turning into de facto blocks in a lot of cases, like with Germany.

That said, I see how it might've made a tempting compromise... Ugh...

I suppose if a puritan shows up, there is this:

Firstly, even if online porn "might" be "problematic" to someone out there, it would still not be anywhere remotely near proportionate to engage in censorship, or privacy intrusive measures. Especially, as it can be important free expression to someone.

Secondly, a typical recommendation is sex education, not censorship (which is harmful in it's own ways).

Thirdly, the science isn't really showing this:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2015.1023427
https://psyarxiv.com/ehqgv/
Two studies showing porn is not associated with sexism. One carried out by German scientists, another carried out by Canadians.

https://qoto.org/@olives/110462274531891870
American scientists carried out a meta analysis of 59 studies. They found porn isn't associated with crime. A meta analysis is a study where someone studies studies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31432547/
Nor does it seem this is the case among adolescents (the meta analysis also points to that). Here, the minors who used more porn engaged in less sexual aggression.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault
https://qoto.org/@olives/110400288665794817
There are even studies (across the United States, Japan, Finland, and more) showing that porn is associated with less crime, even among criminals.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31042055/
While an older Dutch study showed there might be worse levels of "sexual satisfaction" among adolescents using porn, a Croatian lab failed to replicate that.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563222001637
This is a meta analysis on sexualization in video games. It finds that studies tend to pick cut-offs where it's difficult to distinguish signal from noise. This increases the number of false positives.

There are also results which contradict the theory of sexualization being harmful. In the end, it fails to find a link between this and sexism, and this and mental well-being.

I'm usually sceptical of apparent links, as the "scientific pile on effect" (as one described it) drives people to go looking for "links" between porn and "something bad" however tenuous it might be, or methodologically flawed an approach it might be (and later, that something is debunked).

I could add it doesn't matter if they're "child-like" or "fictional children" (this is far, far more likely to hit someone good than someone bad who don't need it). If it was actual real children, I'd oppose that on ethical grounds (though, I still wouldn't want to burn down the Internet / sites, because of unwanted bad actors). This is covered above but it is also kind of common internet sense.

#chatcontrol

Saying they're more likely to be "perverts" doesn't change this and isn't relevant.

Seeing a bad porn take (usually a "I hate porn!" take) and resisting debunking it.

There is also an argument that some portion are "older", but again, they may have done it decades ago. There is no "when".

Hmm... Someone brought up a scenario where someone deliberately humiliates someone "without sexual intent" to it.

First off, that isn't my opinion on this. It's a commentary on current events. Secondly, it's my understanding that it's a "discretion" sort of thing, so if someone is being clearly malicious, there is still an option to enhance that.

It's actually quite a bit disgusting when someone does this because they degrade actual abuse by obscuring it with fake conspiracy abuse.

So, in a place where the age of sexual consent is 16, a certain number of teens over 18 having sex with ones under that is supposed to be "shocking"? For some bizarre reason, bad faith actors insist on phrasing it like that, then trying to pretend it's "creepy old men". It's also not the porn*.

* https://reason.com/2015/07/23/despite-all-the-panic-millennial-teens-h/

There is a reason for my method. Namely, the more he pushes crazy conspiracy fuel, the more I push back against that.

I think it's my duty to deal with him again.

You might be wondering, what to do about #WarOnPorn? Well...

My strong recommendation for Germans would basically be to contact lawmakers, state, federal, all levels, and to voice your opposition to censorship, "age verification" privacy intrusions, whatever.

https://qoto.org/@olives/111413137710570303 An example of anti-porn stupidity (and also anti puritan science).

What the black cat said.

Curiously, "pedocriminal" tends to get translated as "pedophile". That is vaguer and less precise and not the intended semantics. It'd be better to translate that as-is.

According to Alec, one of the conditions of licensing PhotoDNA is that you're gagged from talking about false positives.

Apparently, Germany is looking to punish people posting child porn photos (who aren't "pedophiles") less harshly. I guess they mean someone acting without sexual intent (i.e. for "shock"), or teens sexting with each other.

There was a certain amount of discourse about how the German Police (or as they might call it, polizei) was wasting time chasing teens sexting with each other. Honestly, I think it'd be best for the police to not get involved at all in those cases. Also, with some of these cases, you have to wonder if it's "exploitation" per se, or if someone hasn't tripped over a legal technicality (I still remember that "medical photo" case with Google).

While they're at it, they should strive to protect freedom of expression more strongly.

If you missed it, Germany literally has a crazy obscure bureaucrat in a state government who hates porn, and tries to censor any porn site.