Imagine if we relied on “personal responsibility” instead of the law to combat other public health issues like drunk driving. No rules--just “you do you”. If you're comfortable driving drunk and wish to take the risk, go ahead and do it--why worry yourself with harming anyone else?
Wait, that doesn't work? Then why do maskless conferences, flights, and events work at a time when we know #COVID19 risks are rising. Don't take personal responsibility; take public responsibility. #WearAMask
I'm sorry but there is scientific evidence (and was there before #Covid19 ) that masks don't help against coronaviruses spreading (as expected from physics).
I added two more recent studies to the list in my timeline just yesterday.
Also, recently in Italy a judge sentenced against some of these anti-covid measures, stressing that no obligation can be imposed just because of *presumed* risk (something that doesn't apply for driving drunk, where the risk is certain). At least not in Italy.
So please consider revisiting what you took for granted, thank you.
https://qoto.org/@post/109655921887846230
https://qoto.org/@post/109655906578045257
Other studies:
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
https://eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40001-020-00430-5
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2
I can go on for a while...
@post @familydoctor I'm confused. The first study you shared that I clicked found "Our results indicate that surgical face masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza viruses from symptomatic individuals." Weren't you suggesting the opposite?
You meant the last one.
Welcome to scientific studies: you need to read them, not stopping at abstract; you must take into accounts the methods, the sample, etc and understand for yourself whether they provide weak or strong evidence.
That paper also says: "There was a significant reduction by wearing face masks to 1 of 27 (4%) in detection of influenza virus in respiratory droplets, but no significant reduction in detection in aerosols (Table 1b)."
Isn't this confusing? It's always like this with scientific studies. Check the samples in this study and in the others and draw your own conclusions.
@post @familydoctor I'm not going to convince you, but since you entered my thread, I think it's important people see the opposite. You've clearly done research, which means you are aware there are plenty of studies that show masks work, and you cherrypicked the ones that told the story you wanted.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/irv.13080
One can find MORE studies that say masks work than don't. I still urge people toward caution.
As I said, I have read them all and took into account the methods to form my conclusion.
If you stop at the abstracts, you can find everything and its opposite.
You are not discovering anything new, it has always been like this, you are just showing that you are unfamiliar with scientific publications.
You accuse me of cherrypicking, but you yourself noticed how in one of the studies I shared, researchers drew the opposite conclusion.
So go for a consistent attack if you have to.
@post @familydoctor Your idea of an "attack" maybe needs to be adjusted. I literally made the point it's possible to cherrypick studies one way or the other. Bottom line: You can choose to believe what you want, but people I trust in public health continue to suggest masks work, and there's evidence to support it. In the end, billions may suffer from chronic health impairments because of COVID. I would rather take the chance masks work than that they don't--it's such a minor inconvenience.
@augieray @post @familydoctor
The way I look at it is:
Wearing a mask may reduce your ability to get covid and transmit it to others. Not wearing a mask has no detrimental impact on me. Therefore; ill wear a mask in enclosed spaces just in case it works.
In regards to the seatbelt analogy, I was in a car crash in the 70's and police indicated if I was wearing one I'd have been dead from head injuries. So seatbelts alone weren't the answer but in conjunction with better car structures.
@Aquila_Audax @augieray @familydoctor
Sorry but wearing masks is incredibly harmful, not only for carbon dioxide but also for proliferation of bacteria and viruses and inhalation of microplastics. Not to mention the psychological impact especially on children.
There is so much evidence on the harmfulness and ineffectiveness of masks that insisting is now becoming criminal.
Remember my words for the next few years or decades: everything was already known, the information was there within everyone's reach and you will all be morally responsible for ignoring it.
@post @Aquila_Audax @familydoctor None of that is true. Medical professionals and those working in dangerous environments have been wearing masks for decades. There is no CO2 or other risks that outweigh the benefits.
I have low tolerance for people spreading BS. I've been patient with the dialog because I try to be open to it. But I'll block you if you continue to post idiocy like claiming masks are "incredibly harmful." You do you, but I won't stand for unsafe misinformation in my threads.
@augieray @Aquila_Audax @familydoctor
I provided the studies, you didn't read them, you picked the abstract of one of them in an attempt to contradict (you casually clicked on the last one first, uh?), then completely changed argument by accusing me of cherrypicking and in the end you felt the urge to reply "believe what you want".
Masks have only been used in operating rooms which is a completely different situation. Despite this, they have always been used without scientific evidence. When studies have been done in a scientific way it has been seen that the masks are unhygienic and counterproductive even in the operating room.
I'm sorry but it's all written in the studies you don't want to read so I'm not going to share other links.
Who cares if you block me, you are just a random guy on a social network. Block the scientific publications if you can.
