@Clutha @Radical_EgoCom If you think about who founded the US, Puritans and slaveholders, it's not shocking.

@quadrivial @Clutha @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social You left out the criminals (Georgia) and the poor (indebted servitude) and the slaves. Not everyone had a choice.

@rrb @Clutha @Radical_EgoCom I mentioned slaveholders as founders, so I assumed the presence of slaves. I didn't mention indentured servants and criminals, so you are correct there. I suppose I was thinking of a particular definition of "founder" as someone with the power to shape what became American society, but you're right in saying the 2 groups I ignored had influence on what America is today.

@quadrivial @Clutha @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social You can not have oppressors without victims. See, we both forgot native Americans.

@rrb @quadrivial @Radical_EgoCom

Not me!
When I see the old pics of the mountains of dead buffalo slaughtered to deny their food source it sickens me & no doubt many others.

@rrb @Clutha @Radical_EgoCom Also a failing on my part, so good call. My only defense (which isn't really one) is that I would be hard pressed to argue that native Americans "founded" what we now call America in any meaningful way. Alas.

@quadrivial @Clutha @Radical_EgoCom@kolektiva.social The deep South makes more since if you remember the penal colonies

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