@7331 @Radical_EgoCom @shadowsonawall @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger I'm not going to tell you how a community should react in that sort of situation because that would involve a lenghty discussion on ethics and law but I can tell you how communities usually deal with it in real life. With pitchforks.
@MothWaves @7331 @Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger end of the day, might will always make right. Sadly
@shadowsonawall @7331 @Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger Depends on what you mean by make right. The same community justice has been used to do bad things as it has good things. But I think history has shown that good can prevail even if the majority would have previously opposed it. Look at civil rights for example. If anything, I think that's worth hoping in. Tragedy and terribleness will never be eliminated but we can do our best :/
@MothWaves @7331 @Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger I could not agree more: we can (should) do our best to improve the world. It's why I brought my thoughts to the discussion. If we are to improve society, we need to identify concrete actionable steps towards transitions which will transform society in the right direction. "Everybody stops doing what they're doing and accepts <xyz>" isn't, unfortunately.
@shadowsonawall @7331 @Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger I'd say there's a lot of smart people thankfully doing that work.
@shadowsonawall @MothWaves @7331 @Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger I think one simple answer in this category is: "write children's books." The future societies we variously imagine all have a different set of children's books than we have today, and these are, while not a determinant, certainly a non-negligible force in shaping adult behaviors & imaginations. Although publishing & uptake might currently be rough, nothing actually stops people from working on this right now (though finding the imaginative range necessary is difficulty with all the capitalism in the way).
@shadowsonawall @MothWaves @7331 @Radical_EgoCom @RD4Anarchy @graphite @passenger to chime in to a different part of this thread, I personally think that the way a stateless society deals with evil people involves social education that turns many would-be collaborators into opposers, such that the would-be tyrants fizzle out at small scales as they aren't able to assemble a critical mass of collaborators to actually oppress others.
There's still a wide open question of how to get there from here, but I'm satisfied to imagine that a stateless society collapse nearly as easily as nay-sayers suppose if you assume some baseline level of most people liking that society and understanding the threat that would-be tyrants pose. Even if people just had a general gut distaste for authority, the way that many people today have a gut nationalism, that would likely be enough.
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"People have to be managed by authorities" isn't either.