You might be interested in this for your podcast, @godlessmom .
Which I've been listening to, btw, and finding both fascinating and heartbreaking.
For passerby who might be interested:
https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5idXp6c3Byb3V0LmNvbS8yMDYwMTk1LnJzcw?ep=14