@EVoCeO Yeah well. Stefan is mostly known for his "interesting" claims surrounding IQ and race. 😄 He is often described as a white-nationalist. I would take him and his host with a grain of salt.

Shiva has a lot in common with Judy from the last video. Claimed some controversial stuff about genetically modified food which did not pass the scientific filter and still did tour around states.

Yeah vaccination is a business, but I don't see what is wrong with that. If viruses exist and vaccines are effective then we need to fund research around them and buy them. Maybe I don't understand what are you trying to say by that.

@vnarek I tend to focus on the message not the messenger and add it to the "realm of possibility" to be mindful of. What I'm saying is, if the vaccine is in support of protecting people from naturally occurring viruses is fine but engineering viruses that mutate in theirs hosts in order to force inoculation repeatedly (netflix for health | viro-capitalism) is just evil and this is the conspiracy. I'm trying to deduce whether or not this is a cash grab or a natural viral evolution.

This Dr. Shiva talks about it in that video, the deployment and "advertising" of the vaccine in order to create the demand then the fear and awareness and lastly the solution or vaccine.

And yes, there is a bunch of drama surrounding him as well. I always try to remember the tactics in sundering your opponent, one of the steps is discredit your opponents reputation. Things I keep in mind.

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@EVoCeO Yeah I tend to look at the surroundings of a person claiming. I think it is important to understand what is there for him. Both Shavi and Judy do benefit from misinformation of the public. Both have done unjust business with public fear before (which is exactly what they are framing pharmaceutics doing now, which could look like projecting).

Ah I see now. Yeah that would be evil, but I personally don't think that making countries economies fall apart makes anybody rich. Additionally, we are pretty good at identifying lab viruses from those genetically modified and pharmaceutic companies have thousands of researchers. It is really hard to hide something this big. Look how fast we got information from China even though they tried to censor it.

nature.com/articles/s41591-020 - this is a paper that "clearly show that Sars-Cov-2 is not a laboratory construct"

worldbuilding.stackexchange.co Answers here are pretty interesting.

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