@icedquinn I think I am, I've seen the term "AI luddites" used many times and it describes them very well.

@Amikke ludd being a general anti-tech sentiment was propaganda from the industrialists being criticized for using industrialization to centralize control

i've rarely seen anyone recognize how much of a hazard normalizing "send everything to altman" actually is, they're always stuck on just "but the JOOOOBBBSSS"

@icedquinn of course anyone wanting to use automation to centralise control will try to equate people against the former with people against the latter, as it makes them look ridiculous. Doesn't change the fact that in both cases the luddite movement is founded by workers whose jobs are getting automated crying that the entirety of society will benefit at the cost of them having to find a different job.

@Amikke > society benefits
debatable

@icedquinn all automation of work is a major benefit to society. If anyone manages to actually monopolise this automation then the consequences outweigh the positive effect of automation, but in the case of the original luddites this didn't happen and now an average person can have more than like 3 outfits total thanks to industrialised production of textiles. It's not looking like this time it's gonna go differently. But either way, luddites are the "muh jobs" people, not those rightfully worried about over-centralisation.

@Amikke i think this is true in a medieval interdependence model where trade skills are actually fulfilling tribal needs and the work is sort of an undesirable friction

in the model where your value as a human is 'can you out compete other scrubs for the oppotunity to make a billionaire more money' the loss of labor ends up being something of a negative

this does mean most of the anti ai discourse is just "i hate capitalism" but for some reason they can't see it

@icedquinn I like capitalism, thanks to it I'm currently sitting here in a comfortable home on my comfortable chair and using a computer instead of starving in the field trying to start a tractor from 1960 while a ruling party member rises a glass of champagne "in my stead". But then, I live in a country with some actual regulations that stop capitalism from devolving into a hellscape, I do kinda understand how Americans and the like may not like it lol

@Amikke @icedquinn the largest criticism is for ai is actually that you people are idiots for trusting something proven to be maliciously deceptive and manipulative, as well as ushering in a surveillance state as these random tech CEOs are given political power and army ranks.

@technolyze @Amikke the surveilance state is coming regardless. randoms refuse to punish politicos for grabs.

@icedquinn @Amikke it has never been as enabled and theoretically possible to have literal 1984 than now thanks to llm, as well as federal executive government actively attempting to thwart regulations on it. Federal police forces are actively using janky as ai identification and processing tools to build cases on citizens.

@technolyze @icedquinn yeah that sucks but it's the same kind of argument as "pans are bad because you can hit people over the head with them". Have you considered the possibility of supporting some uses of a technology and not others?

@technolyze damn, I didn't get the memo that if I support the technology I also have to be an idiot giving everything away to random tech CEOs. Was it passed along with the memo that all open source models and all AI companies other than the big bad ones suddenly disappeared overnight and are impossible to bring back?

@icedquinn

@Amikke @technolyze i do think the "its too expensive to run yourself, better pay us a vig" is somewhat encouraged as a market model

there's a lot of work on mixed precision training or neuromorphic models that kind of gets conveniently pushed aside because the current regime makes nvidia money

@Amikke @icedquinn doesn't unown you. Doesn't change the fact of what the majority of the population is embracing with eyes closed. Doesn't change the weird propaganda farm thats trying to create transhumanist warhammer caricatures that now have DOD(DOW whatever) access. There's legitimate shit to be worried about and you reducing it to 'muh jobs' is actually bullshit propaganda to make people not pay attention to the much larger society repressing and destroying consequences.

@technolyze @icedquinn why are you lumping these things together? You know you don't have to? You can be against AI used to enact a surveillance state, as you should, but not immediately join the "all AI bad" hivemind. It is an option.

And no, it's not me reducing it nor bullshit propaganda, it's the majority of the discourse. Find any random person treating AI as the devil and ask them why. You're gonna get the joooobs answer, alongside any bullshit they heard about that supports their view, such as the hilarious misunderstanding of water usage.

@technolyze @icedquinn this is like being against computers as a whole because they're useful for surveillance. Yeah, but they're also useful for a ton of other things, you can just be against surveillance instead of going Amish.

@technolyze @icedquinn @Amikke nobody cares about the growing demand for data centers until it happens in their own neighborhoods

@subnetter @icedquinn @Amikke the noise pollution is literally killing people in granbury but my main concerns is the completion of the full spectrum surveillance state that’s coming out of all of this

@technolyze @icedquinn @Amikke it's all related; data centers are an extension of colonialism, surveillance capitalism is a key component used against marginalized communities

@subnetter @icedquinn @technolyze reality: gotta put them somewhere, might as well do it where the land and workforce is the cheapest
people on the internet for some reason: it's all related; data centers are an extension of colonialism…