I've just realised two things:
1. AI luddites are essentially vegans in both reasoning and attitude to life.
2. I've seen *much* less vegan evangelism since the anti-AI evangelism started.

Are they just the exact same people happy they can be mad about something else? Is the Venn diagram of vegans and AI luddites just a circle?

@Amikke i'm not sure you are using luddite correctly :cat_sad:

@icedquinn I think I am, I've seen the term "AI luddites" used many times and it describes them very well.

@Amikke ludd being a general anti-tech sentiment was propaganda from the industrialists being criticized for using industrialization to centralize control

i've rarely seen anyone recognize how much of a hazard normalizing "send everything to altman" actually is, they're always stuck on just "but the JOOOOBBBSSS" :senko_hm:

@icedquinn of course anyone wanting to use automation to centralise control will try to equate people against the former with people against the latter, as it makes them look ridiculous. Doesn't change the fact that in both cases the luddite movement is founded by workers whose jobs are getting automated crying that the entirety of society will benefit at the cost of them having to find a different job.

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@icedquinn all automation of work is a major benefit to society. If anyone manages to actually monopolise this automation then the consequences outweigh the positive effect of automation, but in the case of the original luddites this didn't happen and now an average person can have more than like 3 outfits total thanks to industrialised production of textiles. It's not looking like this time it's gonna go differently. But either way, luddites are the "muh jobs" people, not those rightfully worried about over-centralisation.

@Amikke i think this is true in a medieval interdependence model where trade skills are actually fulfilling tribal needs and the work is sort of an undesirable friction

in the model where your value as a human is 'can you out compete other scrubs for the oppotunity to make a billionaire more money' the loss of labor ends up being something of a negative

this does mean most of the anti ai discourse is just "i hate capitalism" but for some reason they can't see it

@icedquinn I like capitalism, thanks to it I'm currently sitting here in a comfortable home on my comfortable chair and using a computer instead of starving in the field trying to start a tractor from 1960 while a ruling party member rises a glass of champagne "in my stead". But then, I live in a country with some actual regulations that stop capitalism from devolving into a hellscape, I do kinda understand how Americans and the like may not like it lol

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