Why is leaving the Google and Apple mobile ecosystem a thing?

Because, even if you opt out of whatever the OS offers, you are still leaking data to them at an unacceptable rate.

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@Marcel Fröhlich I should make a t-shirt of this text.Easy to read and terrifying to even biggest "I have nothing to hide" type of person.
That's why I think we as FLOSS community at large, should jump onto OS'es like KDE, Phosh, UBPorts even if that meansnot having all the features android and ios has at first. With big userbase, improvements will come much faster and we might at the end produce something that could compete, or at least be stable feature rich alternative. We aren't that far from it IMO.

@muppeth Why dismiss the Android OSS part? I am quite happy with initiatives like /e/OS. There will be no scale without competitive commercial products.

@Marcel Fröhlich Because in my opinion it's not changing anything and only keeps the current status quo. Just like current situation in webbrowsers where pretty much all browsers run chromium which still gives Google full monopoly in browser market even if not everyone runs Chrome.
Current state of Android even running OSS ones means Google is the biggest stake holder. Not to mention it is hard even in the land of OSS Android to not "call home" to google (I believe lineageOS even does call home to google and it uses google's dns servers). As far as I know /e/ uses Gaps right? I do aproeciate the efforts of lineage and /e/ but to get trully independent we should not base our systems where tech giants are the biggest stakeholders.

@muppeth /e/ is completely plugged off from Google. It offers a viable alternative now, even for people who lack the skill to do stuff themselves. But I see your point and the value of your effort.

@muppeth It is not only browsers. To go really off-grid, the best option is to use Gemini space for personal stuff.

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