@SNerd , why do you call it dangerous? What do you think of the other systems in competing car brands?
"0.18 accidents per million miles
New data released in its Impact Report show that Tesla vehicles with Autopilot engaged (mostly highway miles) had just 0.18 accidents per million miles driven, compared to the US vehicle average of 1.53 accidents per million miles.Apr 27, 2023"
@JonKramer No one had the gall to call it "auto pilot" and infer the car can safely drive itself, which leads some unaware buyers to depend entirely on it. It's "driver assist" like everyone else calls it, but to him "auto pilot" would sell better.
@SNerd , so your primary complaint is what it is called? You overlook that you are about 1/10th as likely to get in an accident with 'autopilot' running, which means it is demonstrably safer than a human driver. And not in a small way. You skip over that and your complaint is the name??
I will look at the data, and not care if it is called 'anal sex' or anything else. Call it 'the only way you make it home alive', and I;m fine. Because I have 1/10 the rate of accidents with it on. I want there to be insurance discounts, and possibly government mandates to use it, under ANY name. Because it saves lives. And whatever makes it sell better, I am in favor of.
@JonKramer
Yes, my complaint is what he calls it. It is irresponsible. If he wasn't a narcissist he'd have cared that the name alone endangers the buyers. No one else calls driver assist "auto pilot" because they recognize the misleading inference.
@SNerd , I really think the focus should be on the fact that you are 1/10th as likely to get in an accident with the system. That it makes you measurably safer to use the system. And that the name is irrelevant compared to that 1/10th figure.
@JonKramer I'm not disputing that driver assist makes people safer overall. People with driver assist know the car is ASSISTING. "Auto pilot" infers the car is self driving and that's exactly why Musk called his driver assist "auto pilot". It was purposefully named to be misleading. It's not self-driving and people have died depending on "auto pilot" to drive their car. To me, it was always the misleading name.
@SNerd , you literally started this thread with the claim that the system kills people. It literally saves lives when in use. That 'assisting' is better than a human driver.
@SNerd Then the answer is zero. there are roughly 9 people still alive for every one dead. Because they used autopilot. And that number may actually be more, due to the fact that autopilot can make accidents that are unavoidable less deadly.
@JonKramer I can think of at least 2 here off the top of my head. The drivers weren't paying attention or possibly asleep. Telsa was sued specifically because the term "auto pilot" was misleading, caused reckless behavior and resulted in death. I don't know of any company getting sued for driver assist. It's the name.
@SNerd I don't know how to explain the math to you. But the argument you are making is similar to the anti vaxers argument, because they can find someone who died after a vaccine, that means vaccines are misleading, and shouldn't be used.
Auto pilot saves lives. This is just reality. The name, if it means more people use it, saves more lives. Is it 100% effective? No, nothing is. But it is objectively better than no system like it in use. This isn't slightly debatable. It just IS.
If autopilot was mandated on all cars, lives would be saved. 10s of thousands of lives, in the USA alone. Even at what is currently only level two diver assist.
@JonKramer No, we're just arguing 2 different points. You're defending the system, and I agree with your points. Yes it has saved lives when used properly. I don't know what else to say because I keep repeating myself - it's not the safety of the system, it's the driver recklessness caused by believing what the NAME "auto pilot" infers. Tesla got sued for this very thing.
@SNerd Being sued doesn't mean much. I trust the math.
@JonKramer
No Jon, it was the name from the beginning - "How many people has Elon musk killed with his "auto pilot" marketing claim."