@notsle @georgetakei , that is an interesting way of looking at the issue. I think the only flaw is assuming a social contract exists. And if I violate any of the terms of this contract, am I subjected to violations of the contract that I didn't violate?? For example, if I steal food to feed my kids, can society murder me? If I don't abide by a single term of this contract, am I not covered by the contract in any way??

@notsle @georgetakei @pezhore I'm very familiar with the paradox. I'm questioning the validity (or even the existence) of social contracts. I have seen similar arguments before... "If you were a real socialist you would give the poor all your money" or "So you hate paying taxes? Don't call the police if you are robbed." The logic is all intertwined.

@JonKramer @notsle @georgetakei @pezhore theft isn't murder, so thats not really equivalent. If you were to murder someone, you can be killed. You can be killed both in the moment (self defense) and later (death penalty.) I may not agree with the death penalty, but thats because it is so final and doesn't seem to be effective in preventing murder

In the case of tolerance, the effect of total tolerance to the intolerant is the destruction of tolerance

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