@interfluidity I really wanted to write a tribal reply about how real libertarians actually are on the left on these issues, but then I realized that no real libertarians still call themselves "libertarians" because that word has been so completely co-opted by the far right trolls. It's sad, really.

@LouisIngenthron (libertarian with a very lower-case 'l' has a great deal going for it! there is a small tribe that describes itself as left-libertarian. Scandinavian social democracies offer a lot of economic liberty! but in my view "mainstream libertarians"—an oxymoron?—tend to treat
status-quo-ish markets effectively as ends, rather than means requiring adjustment to serve socially agreed goals, and oppose eg taxes and benefits that might ensure civilized outcomes.)

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