卫报发布了一篇文章，宣称Fediverse除了Gab之外。还有着几十个通过p2p技术和开源软件从事极右政治，宣扬阴谋论和新纳粹主义的实例。这篇文章还引用一个叫做 Megan Squire的"专家"的说法，声称主流的开源文化长期以来一直是"极端厌女主义"的体现，"对社会充满了毒害"，"虐待着所有人"。该文章指出，类似于Pleroma, Mastodon 和 Matrix 的社交平台和Facebook, Twitter这些巨头不一样，由于它们的去中心化特性，这些平台是无法遭到审查的。在Guardian看来，这是一个很严重的问题，因为这意味着权威机构和技术巨头不能审查言论，Guardian暗示道，要打击"仇恨言论" 和 "纳粹主义"，就要把言论置于政府和巨头的控制之下，这些去中心化平台是不允许存在的。

"Beyond Gab’s ambiguous place in the fediverse, the Guardian found dozens of servers using peer-to-peer, open source tools, which were either exclusively or disproportionately devoted either to far-right politics, or to conspiracy theories that mainstream social media services have previously cracked down on, including coronavirus denialism, “incel” culture and neo-Nazism."

"Megan Squire is a professor of computer science at Elon University who has published research on both the far right and open source software communities. She says that “the dominant open source culture historically has been one of extreme misogyny, unfounded meritocracy, toxicity and abuse of everyone,” and that Smith is one of those resisting efforts to change that culture."

"Some open source communications platforms go a step beyond this, and do away with the need for servers altogether by implementing a “peer-to-peer” network. PeerTube, for example, allows users to browse and watch videos in a similar way to YouTube, but instead of streaming it to users from a central server, each user watching a video acts as a relay point.

The technical details are perhaps less important than the practical effect: no one has authority over these platforms: no one owns them. While governments and users can place pressure on the big social media companies to ban problematic users or communities, for better or worse, no one can stop anyone creating their own servers or peer-to-peer networks.

These technologies, then, are effectively uncensorable. According to a report by Emmi Bevensee, the co-founder of research consultancy Rebellious Data and the social media monitoring tool SMAT, extremists have been advocating, and even developing them, for years."

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/12/far-right-open-source-technology-censorship

https://poa.st/objects/3c198fd5-7927-4a14-acce-4b9c74b2f8c5

有一位朋友质疑卫报的这篇文章是否真的主张把言论置于政府和巨头的控制之下，抑制去中心化技术，这是我的回答，由于原本的讨论串并不公开，所以我再重新发一遍：

问：我希望你能解释一下，原文中到底哪里暗示“要打击"仇恨言论" 和 "纳粹主义"，就要把言论置于政府和巨头的控制之下，这些去中心化平台是不允许存在的。”？

答：如果你觉得原嘟文的暗示还不够明显的话，我愿意再补充一些：

The technical details are perhaps less important than the practical effect: no one has authority over these platforms: no one owns them. While governments and users can place pressure on the big social media companies to ban problematic users or communities, for better or worse, no one can stop anyone creating their own servers or peer-to-peer networks.

These technologies, then, are effectively uncensorable. According to a report by Emmi Bevensee, the co-founder of research consultancy Rebellious Data and the social media monitoring tool SMAT, extremists have been advocating, and even developing them, for years.

" The reason I want it as a trans anti-fascist is the same reason that a Nazi wants it; we just have opposite ends "

“Every marginalized community knows what it’s like to be systematically deplatformed”, says Bevensee, who uses non-binary pronouns, pointing to the way in which groups such as sex workers have adopted platforms like Mastodon after finding themselves unable to advertise their services.

But as Bevensee’s report shows, peer-to-peer platforms are a double-edged sword. “The reason I want it as a trans anti-fascist is the same reason that a Nazi wants it; we just have opposite ends,” they explain.

“You know who really doesn’t understand it? The FBI,” Bevensee adds: “we’re talking about a technology that can’t be subpoenaed. It can’t be surveiled” and, in order to carry out remote surveillance of private chats, “you would have to back door every single device in the world”.

This opens the way for extremists to propagandize and organize on platforms that are beyond the reach of legal authorities and tech giants alike. After the far right-friendly social media site Gab encountered hosting problems and app store bans, it rebuilt itself on Mastodon’s software, despite determined opposition from the platform’s creators and users.

文章提到，假如用户使用的是去中心化平台，这些平台就不会因为外部的施压而封杀"问题用户"。 (去中心化保护问题用户)

文章还提到，"极端主义者"长年以来一直在推行在研发这类技术。(研发去中心化和p2p等技术的是坏人)

文章还提到，因为这些技术无法被监控，无法被传唤，极端主义者就可以利用这些技术进行宣传和组织。(使用这些技术的是坏人)

问：我还看到了：
"a double-edged sword"
"The reason I want it as a trans anti-fascist is the same reason that a Nazi wants it; we just have opposite ends"

为什么你看到卫报提到 "can’t be surveiled" ，就觉得它是在强调censorship的重要性？还有，下面讲的这些利用技术为恶的难道不是事实？为了不被闭嘴而转行研发这些技术的确实有一大部分人是极端人士啊。

答："can't be surveiled 来自于该文对Bevensee报告的引用，该文在其后又加入"This opens the way for extremists to propagandize and organize on platforms that are beyond the reach of legal authorities and tech giants alike. " ，再联系前文的"While governments and users can place pressure on the big social media companies to ban problematic users or communities" ，可推导出该文主张把这些人困在中心化的平台中。的确，极端分子利用技术为恶是事实，但首先，我们要把重点集中在有权有势的人用利用技术所行的恶，也就是政府和技术寡头所行之恶，其次，任何技术都有好处有坏处，但总体而言，我认为去中心化的技术是利大于弊的技术，再者，在去中心化技术出现以前，就已经有过印刷术，电报，电话等传播信息的技术，这些技术当然也曾经被坏人使用，但我不认为应该禁止印刷术，电报，电话。即使没有任何技术，只要人有一张嘴，就有可能传播坏思想，但我认为不应该因此封住所有人的嘴。最后，要想完全扼杀人们的恶行，只有靠扼杀人们的自由意志，只有没有自由的地方，完全的安全才是可能的，但这种安全是无意义的。