The reactions to ChatGPT in education, both at the K-12 and Higher Ed level really remind me of some prior technology wars going back to...
Calculator bans (students will forget or not learn how to add and subtract)
Graphic calculator bans (students will store formulas and forget critical math formulas)
Word processor/typed paper bans (students will forget how to write in cursive and how to spell and do grammar)
Laptop bans (students will just cheat and Google everything)
Wikipedia use ban (students will use unreliable and entirely too easy to access information)
I know ChatGPT is "different" from these, but it's also the same.
What other "tech innovations" fall under this history?
@adamjcook @edutooters That makes a lot of sense, and it requires at least a little analysis. I am seeing some IHEs, schools, and departments making knee jerk reactions with bans, policing policies etc... That don't seem as productive or thoughtful as your approach, which by the way I think applies more broadly to potentially facilitating rudimentary tasks, but being extremely limited in more complex tasks that we should be engaging students in. And rather than problematizing poor pedagogy we problematize a tool (though ChatGPT certainly has many other issues that are worthy of critique).
@ZingerLearns @edutooters Yup. That is a good way to put it - it is another (potential) tool in the toolbox.
And, the reality is, ChatGPT exists and will exist when students leave engineering school. No sense in fighting it.
Frankly, and I am seeing positive signs of this, the ideas of embracing creative, real-world (non-textbook) engineering education is increasing in many institutions by necessity.
Embracing more sophisticated tools is an integral part of that!
@ZingerLearns @edutooters we educators are predictable.
@ZingerLearns @edutooters drawing highly detailed architectural drawings by hand , those practitioners got completely wiped out , so hopefully there's not a lesson there 
@tonic @edutooters LOL you are reminding me of my high school drafting class...most unpleasant memories.
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If you take the slide rule, the abacus, and the electronic calculator, you don't need an engineering degree to know which will work underwater with a flat battery.
I haven't tried it but I wouldn't be surprised if #ChatGPT gave you some longwinded explanation about why the slide rule needs batteries and the fish would eat the abacus.
It's almost useless for facts and openai openly admits it.
@ZingerLearns @edutooters but all these predictions are true; they do not know all these things; we do not feel effects as a society, but we will and then it will be too late.....
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Socrates on the introduction of writing:
"... it doesn’t know to whom it should speak and to whom it should not... "
"those who think they can leave written instructions for an art, as well as those who accept them, thinking that writing can yield results that are clear or certain, must be quite naive..."
"...how could they possibly think that words that have been written down can do more than remind those who already know what the writing is about?"
@ZingerLearns @edutooters At least from what I have seen so far from #ChatGPT... educators in #engineering schools need not worry about cheating and actual student education outcomes.
It is exceedingly brittle against anything more than extremely simple logical problems - providing non-sensical answers for the rest.
But more than that, computer-based engineering tools have substantially increased in sophistication for decades now anyways.