@curtosis @rajivsethi yes. we need a Polyanian revolution of the "marketplace of ideas" metaphor. like the regular marketplace, it is embedded within and exists to serve society, not to stand apart from it. at the very least, it needs "antitrust" (limiting disproportionate influence due to wealth). but like product markets, it needs positive structuring as well as after-the-fact policing of monopoly. 1/
@curtosis @rajivsethi from someone's perspective that will always be "censorship" (my view would have prevailed but for how we've structured this system), just as regulation is perceived, not incorrectly, by some parties as a limitation of freedoms they might otherwise enjoy. 2/
@curtosis @rajivsethi are we capable of crafting a regime for managing the reach ("speech" alone doesn't matter, talk to yourself all you want) of political expression that necessary cannot be content neutral, at least *ex post*, that serves society without leading to the blindspots and dogmatism and injustices that historically have persuaded us to err on the side of laissez-faire with speech (and reach)? /fin
@Hyolobrika the government arbitrates truth in jury trials. it does not prejudge it. it sets up procedures that are ex ante viewpoint neutral. ex post, a losing party might call foul (and rights to appeal are part of the procedure). but ultimately this procedure does adjudication truth and falsehood, as a matter of social outcome if not in the eyes of God, over matters of important controversy. of course it sometimes errs.
do you object?
@Hyolobrika No one is arguing people shouldn’t be allowed to say anything. People should be allowed to say overt falsehoods. It’s institutions of authority and potentially of reach that might be regulated.
@interfluidity @Hyolobrika Hmm, regulation is one approach.
Did you consider other approaches, like limiting the reach and/or power?
For corporate stuff, it would be monopoly control. It sounds a bit stange to say "one corpo can't own 50%+ of social media", but that can be a lesson we learn from facebooks desasters. Or maybe social media does not belong in corporate hands, at all. Fediverse or nothing, probably.
With gouvernment institutions, it gets more experimental, like maybe make institutions redundant and have the redundancies check the primary?
We would still need some functions to be performed quickly, thus we need a primary, but the longer term checking could for example have stopped the CDC from the blunder with 5 microns.
@admitsWrongIfProven @Hyolobrika antitrust is a start and absolutely necessary. but i don’t think on its own it’s sufficient. https://zirk.us/@interfluidity/113534160360556906