@juliaserano I agree. Debating with those people does no good. Instead they try to make it appear that a certain topic is controversial where no actual controversy exists. It's the same tactic they use to deny Evolution and Climate Change. They have no actual proof for their claims, but they do have finely calibrated logical fallacies and rhetorical tactics that make winning a "debate" difficult, no matter how correct one is. A skilled debater could win a debate on the premise that "water is not wet" using their tactics, but water would still be wet.