@p @sicp @ins0mniak @nigvids @rebelai @Hoss
> antics are antics. What's unethical?
i'd say "destructive" isn't hacker spirit.
using a cereal box whistle to get free calls isn't destructive. the phone system works just fine either way.
using insane amounts of racketeered money to buy up 0 days for blowing up centrifuges is destructive in means and end.
@p @sicp @ins0mniak @nigvids @rebelai @Hoss
> would be
the same kind of weapons of mass destruction found in iraq
> You think you will be able to get consensus on which is more destructive?
imo one doesn't need consensus on it, either something is destructive or it isn't. a destructive action might be legitimate for self defense, but that requires someone to be at least threatening someone else. not just the vague idea that someone might do something bad at some point in the future.
@p @sicp @ins0mniak @nigvids @rebelai @Hoss
i didn't intend to argue, i just don't think blowing things up is very good or effectively solves problems long term.
> The point was "ethical hacking" is a stupid term, meaningless. It is a line drawn by people that describe their jobs with terms like "tracking down bad guys".
yes
(very armchair) OT regarding physics alone:
afaik if you require enrichment depends on which reactor is used for generating power, some need enriched uranium some don't. those that don't have other issues why you wouldn't want to use them. iirc the chernobyl design was like it was, with all it's faults, to burn unenriched uranium. iirc what is critical is the grade of enrichment, 20% or something is fine for power generation. weapons need something 90%. this is hard to check for others, of course.
the wrist hole really sounds shit, hope it gets well soon already!
> same kind of weapons of mass destruction found in iraq
Oh, fuck's sake, do not tell me that there is a reason to build uranium centrifuges and not nuclear weapons.
> imo one doesn't need consensus on it,
The thing in context: "What's unethical? What's that mean? Think you'll get the same answer from two people? Stuxnet was designed to break the centrifuges and stop Iran from refining uranium: ethical? What if it targeted the NYSE instead?"
This is a :checkem::moon: problem. There's a hole in my wrist, typing hurts, I don't wanna explain myself. I have no interest in arguing whether or not it is ethical to frustrate Iran's nuclear program. The point was "ethical hacking" is a stupid term, meaningless. It is a line drawn by people that describe their jobs with terms like "tracking down bad guys". Don't look at my finger, I'm pointing at the moon.