@p @sicp @ins0mniak @nigvids @rebelai @Hoss
> antics are antics. What's unethical?
i'd say "destructive" isn't hacker spirit.
using a cereal box whistle to get free calls isn't destructive. the phone system works just fine either way.
using insane amounts of racketeered money to buy up 0 days for blowing up centrifuges is destructive in means and end.
@p @sicp @ins0mniak @nigvids @rebelai @Hoss
> would be
the same kind of weapons of mass destruction found in iraq
> You think you will be able to get consensus on which is more destructive?
imo one doesn't need consensus on it, either something is destructive or it isn't. a destructive action might be legitimate for self defense, but that requires someone to be at least threatening someone else. not just the vague idea that someone might do something bad at some point in the future.
@p @sicp @ins0mniak @nigvids @rebelai @Hoss
i didn't intend to argue, i just don't think blowing things up is very good or effectively solves problems long term.
> The point was "ethical hacking" is a stupid term, meaningless. It is a line drawn by people that describe their jobs with terms like "tracking down bad guys".
yes
(very armchair) OT regarding physics alone:
afaik if you require enrichment depends on which reactor is used for generating power, some need enriched uranium some don't. those that don't have other issues why you wouldn't want to use them. iirc the chernobyl design was like it was, with all it's faults, to burn unenriched uranium. iirc what is critical is the grade of enrichment, 20% or something is fine for power generation. weapons need something 90%. this is hard to check for others, of course.
the wrist hole really sounds shit, hope it gets well soon already!
> i just don't think blowing things up is very good or effectively solves problems long term.
"Kill guys and break stuff." That's war. Don't shoot the messenger: I'm just describing what I see.
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> if you require enrichment depends on which reactor is used for generating power
Oil-rich country, which can't even export its oil because of embargoes, which it has because it has been a rogue terrorist state since the 1970s, which status it maintains by sending RPGs and rifles to every hillbilly militia in the Middle East, suddenly decides it needs to hire rocket engineers from North Korea and power itself with a rock it has to import because the Ayatollah...what, cares about air pollution? I mean, your feelings on war aside, they're building nukes. There is no reason to poke them otherwise: they produce more energy than they can use, so frustrating their nuclear program doesn't stop their power plants. They have also said they are building a nuke. Obama signed an agreement with them: they agreed not to build a nuclear bomb for at least ten years, and we agreed not to bother them about their uranium enrichment for as long. Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt all hated that deal because they viewed it as permission to build nukes. Now, because if you are building a nuke and no one wants you to have it, you tell everyone that you are not building a nuke, and because the press hasn't done its job in decades, people are saying Iran doesn't even want a nuke. This is ridiculous.
Khaddafi gave up his nukes, we promised no regime change. Subsequently, under a hail of American cruise missiles, Khaddafi was killed on live television by being sodomized with rebar by a lynch mob. This was the biggest foreign policy disaster of the 21st century: it guaranteed that no other rogue state will ever give up their nukes. North Korea will never give up their nukes.
Especially, like, look at Turkey and Syria right now, look at Russia. Iran, Turkey, and Syria have all been trying to establish regional hegemony. These are AK-47 countries, not M-16 countries, and Russia's strategy has been to prop up whichever one is most likely to annoy the US.
So, whether or not it is *possible* that they might not be making nukes, there is no reason to assume that they have changed their minds.
> the wrist hole really sounds shit, hope it gets well soon already!