@braindouche @jalcine I've prhased this as "lost", in part, because the management class that fundamentally enabled these losses were, in many cases, as dumb as they played. That's not a defense, but it suggests that the malfeasance is extremely narrow in nature.

So when I call folks out now, it's always with an eye towards who I warned 5+ years ago and who, vs. that warning, made changes.

@braindouche @jalcine Take the Angular team. They fucking *hated* me. I told them true things about how their system was working at scale, and like everyone else, they didn't want to hear it. They could gaslight for weeks about their metrics and their perf labs and all the rest..and the results were still absolute trash.

And it took working through that discomfort from a position of data-based honesty to create change. All of it in the background.

@braindouche @jalcine *Eventually* they built their new renderer and started foregrounding the costs of script with their community. The latter was MUCH more important than the former.

Angular apps that cross my desk are still, generally speaking, on fire, but at least I can't blame them now for not warning anyone.

React, OTOH...

@slightlyoff
That's another thing, that class of managers are the tech bros who staffed their zillion-dollar companies with teams of engineers no older than 27 who worked 36 hours a day. The systematic exploitation of recent college grads in silicon valley has a hell of a lot to do with this.
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@slightlyoff
It may have been an accidental side effect of valley priorities, but all of front end has been dragged backwards away from systematic maturity by their absolute love affair with jr developer clever codemonkey enthusiasm
@jalcine

@slightlyoff
The result, after ten years, is we are stuck idolizing workflows that cannot distinguish between fundamental and incidental complexity, that completely misunderstand the platform they run on, that struggle to reinvent bad wheels better, and prioritize the developer over *everything*. The modern web experience was invented with no adults in the room.
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