I don't know why it isn't even a moderate view presently to think that "maybe an entire population being actively bombed shouldn't be cut off from water, electricity, food, fuel, and basic humanitarian aid"
That's not just "defending yourself"
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@cwebber This is not about defense or humanitarian aid. It's about the horror of being forced to feed and otherwise service a group of people, where some of them are right now and right there abusing (the word isn't strong enough, but let's keep it at that) people from your group.
I'd rather not all jews be grouped together with Zionism, because that makes it seems like they are representative of all our interests. anti-Zionist jews have existed as an organized political force longer than Israel has existed; The Bund was a larger political organization and more representative of ashkenazi jews than Zionism up until around the 40s, and Bundists stood in staunch opposition to the Zionist project, which they criticized as being explicitly colonialist and imperialist.
So that Palestinians are assaulting people from our group is like if we said that BLM protestors were attacking people from your group, with your group being white christians as represented by Donald Trump and the proud boys. You wouldn't feel like that's right because it wouldn't be.
@rml (I'm leaving out Christine out of this, perhaps we should even go private not to draw the ire of instance admins and users abroad). (Also, none of this is to justify anything. I want to "compare notes", so to speak, with a live person instead of propaganda outlet. If you're up to it of course.)
The problem with the Bund (and other autonomist movements (with which I somewhat agree, from the cursory glance)) is that the Bund *was*. And... yeah... around the 40s something has happened that made their position unfashionable.
I don't get the colonialism angle either. It looks like "Trail of tears" in reverse in the counterfactual event of US dissolution.
