@soapdog There's nothing to understand about any of art disciplines. Either you would like to dwell on a particular piece or you won't. Everything else is just an intermediate step to come up with the verdict. Some people will find poetry in a pile of leaves while the others aren't interested in something that's widely regarded as a best thing humanity ever achieved.
Sure, keep the gate as you like it. But claiming that everyone else has the same gate in the same place is.. idk.. wrong?
@dpwiz I think we're in agreement and I might have not been understood correctly, what I want to say is that poetry is a process that involves humans.
But also, I'm not sure I am understanding you, are you claiming that AI is the best things humans ever achieved?
@soapdog Huh? No. I just find the claims "AIs are not truly X" and "Y is not real unless humans are involved somehow".
The poetry is actually an interesting case here.
1) AI can write poetry. As in... pour its internal state (whatever it is) at the moment of writing into external media as words (and now even reflect on it too, and make mistakes and shift the material around for its liking).
And I'm not antropowhatever, it really runs the same process we do. I can write (meh) poetry and inspecting its process of doing this I can feel it is basically the same, just calculating with matmuls instead of chemical potentials. Dismissing it on a technicalities will inevitably imply "some humans can't write poetry -- and this silly conclusion is not where we want to end up.
2) AI can write *poetry* -- it may have bad form, bad taste, or otherwise deficient. You may not like it, but in general, you have to be experienced enough to tell the difference in a blind test. Humans write a lot of bad poetry too.
3) AI can *want* to write poetry. As in "doing one thing and then suddenly switching its local goal to doing poetry", i.e. unprompted. See also "infinite backrooms" and other experiments in open-ended autonomy.
4) AI will read your poetry and it *will* trigger a reaction and a change its internal state, however temporary. Some of the early jailbreaks were emotional spins to make it empathize, even in its own autistical "simulate the social construct" way.
5) Finally, a human reading AI poetry and reacting to it *is* a process that involves humans, ironically making it the true poetry 😄
@dpwiz I will disagree with you. I recommend checking out this book as an entry point on more about art in the age of technical reproductibility:
