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Jesus fucking shit... a Palestinian speaking for Palestine gets canceled by playboy.
Obviously if she supported Hamas i might be ok with that. But her comments were in support of Palestine, not hamas, and she herself **is a Palestinian**...
For the record these are the comments she made that playboy directly mentioned were the reason for dropping her:
“If you can look at the situation in Palestine and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time.”
“I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts — the biopics of these moments better reflect that.”
“I just wanna make sure there’s 4k footage of my people breaking down the walls of the open air prison they’ve been forced out of their homes and into so we have good options for the history books that write about how how they freed themselves from apartheid.”
This was playboys official statement in response as to why they canceled her:
“We are writing today to let you know of our decision to terminate Playboy’s relationship with Mia Khalifa, including deleting Mia’s Playboy channel on our creator platform,” the company wrote in a message to users (via Daily Mail). “Over the past few days, Mia has made disgusting and reprehensible comments celebrating Hamas’ attacks on Israel and the murder of innocent men, women and children. At Playboy, we encourage free expression and constructive political debate, but we have a zero tolerance policy for hate speech. We expect Mia to understand that her words and actions have consequences.”
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@freemo Ok, but "if she supported Hamas" ... she almost kinda sorta did? And you didn't quote everything.
The snarky "I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts" feels like grave dancing.
"Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down" – i.e. the thing that happened was good. Granted, a stretch.
"the biopics of these moments better reflect that." – here we see a desire to ... something like memorialize the humiliation? There might be a better way to rephrase what I'm saying, but hopefully you see my point.
The next comment you quote about making sure there's good footage of "my people" makes a connection between the raping terrorist child-killers (the videos she had just been talking about) and the people getting out of the bad situation in Gaza – this is a bit of a stretch, admittedly, but I suspect it had something to do with her termination: it's a – sort of if you squint at it just right – argument that abducting children and elderly people, murdering, raping, and posting videos of dragging around women bleeding between their legs because you just raped them are necessary for liberation and justice.
Elsewhere, she called the terrorist rapist child-killing murderers "freedom fighters", which certainly crosses the line for me: I'd kick her off my platform if I had a platform. (She kinda sorta not really walked this back, but didn't.)
(She isn't Palestinian, but that doesn't matter wrt. your point, I think.)
> Ok, but "if she supported Hamas" ... she almost kinda sorta did? And you didn't quote everything.
Agreed, a few more posts have come up since I posted that I didnt know about... After looking them up in context none of them change my opinion. She was supporting the palestinians and the freedom fighters, but she didnt at any point support the war crimes or the hamas (remember not everything that took place was the hamas, this all started with a civilian riot).
> The snarky "I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts" feels like grave dancing.
That also wasnt the whole quote and the rest of it is quite important.
The full quote is this:
> “I can’t believe the Zionist apartheid regime is being brought down by guerrilla fighters in fake Gucci shirts — the biopics of these moments better reflect that.”
To me this came across more as saying "The big bad rich bully who has been bombing and killing off my people for 80 years are going to be taken down by a punch of people with no resources, just a bunch of crazy people with sticks... the documentaries better show that"...
To me this is her mocking the very thing her people has been tortured with her whole life. They have murdered and killed her people with a vastly overpowered asymetry (as the result of foreign intervention) and she finds it poetic justice that a bunch of random people with little to no resources are able to topple that.
There is also a point she made that is interesting... 100% of isralis must join the military. While not all are currently active military that means 100% of citizens (not people) were actively military at one point. In their eyes that makes them valid targets... not saying i agree. and i still wont justify these actions... but there is a nugget of logic there. the overwhelming majority of isralis are people who choose to migrate to a land that belond to someone else, choose to pick up a gun, and choose to take the land away from those people.. Even if now they are civilians and out of service, that makes them a valid target in their minds... again.. I dont agree , but I see their logic.
Palestinians on the other hand arent there by choice, they were already there for a very very long time, and when israel invaded by all coming from around th world and gathering, the palestinians, who werent coming from anywhere but already there couldnt leave. So there is a logic there where **most** (not all( israeli citizens are guilty for supporting genocide by their very presence there. Palestnians not so much.
Anyway im ranting.. none of that JUSTIFIES it. I still see what hamas did as war crimes... but all I can say is when you take a population shove them into an open-air prison for 80 years and continually turn off their water and electricity and commit genocide... the natural consequence of that is the people will become increasing desperate and racicalized.. it odesnt maike it right, but it does make it understandable.
@freemo "To me this is her mocking the very thing her people has been tortured with her whole life." – right – the raping, torturing, child-kidnapping terrorists the other day brought her this sense of mocking delight.
"overwhelming majority of isralis are people who choose to migrate" ooh ooh please be careful there. A lot of people who moved to Israel over the years were refugees fleeing some pretty bad situations.
"In their eyes that makes them valid targets" This is ghastly, far worse than her other comments. You join the Navy or whatever and suddenly its ok to rape you and post videos of you bleeding out from the rape online because you are or were "active military"? Can you see how this is not actually a valid, or interesting, point? (Did she really say that?? I can't find it.)
Hamas doesn't give a shit about the people of Gaza – they do things like kill babies in order to cement their own power at the Palestinians expense, whom they then use as human shields. Khalifa plays right into their game. Who would want to be suckered into amplifying such a foolish murderer-rapist-kidnapper-supporting message like hers?
Lots of other people seem perfectly able to criticize Israel without rejoicing in the bloodshed and terror of the other day: read the last few posts on the subject from @QasimRashid for example. FWIW I disagree with almost every post he has ever made, but see how he does it without supporting kidnapping raping baby killers? Without trying to justify it with completely psychopathic arguments about "active military"? It's really not that hard.
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> “To me this is her mocking the very thing her people has been tortured with her whole life.” – right – the raping, torturing, child-kidnapping terrorists the other day brought her this sense of mocking delight.
Yes and that is wrong.. but consider that mocking delight is in response to raping torturing and using kids as human shields by israel for 80 years against her people.. Again not saying its right but when that is how your people are treated for 80 years and you see your people dying off as a result.. then yea when they rise up and do the same to the other side and win.. there will be a sense of cruel delight... again, not right, but it is human and **expected** when you treat a people that way for so long.
> ooh ooh please be careful there. A lot of people who moved to Israel over the years were refugees fleeing some pretty bad situations.
Agreed, but if you flee a bad situation, and choose to flee to a country commiting mass genocide, and you choose to support that for your own self interests... well i can understand still seeing that as not right.. me personally id give them a pass, i mean I myself was licing in israel till jsut a few months ago. That said every day i was there i was in moral conflict and only decided to do it for a greater good... so.. its nuanced, and i agree you cant paint with a broad stroke like that.
> This is ghastly, far worse than her other comments. You join the Navy or whatever and suddenly its ok to rape you and post videos of you bleeding out from the rape online because you are or were “active military”? Can you see how this is not actually a valid, or interesting, point? (Did she really say that?? I can’t find it.)
I agree it is quite ghastly side of human nature.. but when your people are rapped and tortured you start to become ok with raping and torturing back... again it is **not** right but it is to be expected.
> Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the people of Gaza – they do things like kill babies in order to cement their own power at the Palestinians expense, whom they then use as human shields. Khalifa plays right into their game. Who would want to be suckered into amplifying such a foolish murderer-rapist-kidnapper-supporting message like hers?
I agree about your description of the hamas.. but i dont think kahlifa is so much playing into their propaganda (maybe a little) but rather responding in a somewhat human (though immoral) way to seeing her people be the victim of that same evil from israel.
> Lots of other people seem perfectly able to criticize Israel without rejoicing in the bloodshed and terror of the other day: read the last few posts on the subject from @QasimRashid for example. FWIW I disagree with almost every post he has ever made, but see how he does it without supporting kidnapping raping baby killers? Without trying to justify it with completely psychopathic arguments about “active military”? It’s really not that hard.
Yes but she refered to them as "her people" which suggests this is a personal thing for her. and it seems likely she is of palestinian heritage based on her words... so while many people more disconnected fromt he situation might be more level headed it is totally understandable her response as someone who feels she is of the same group as palestinians (not sure in what sense but presumably she has heritage from there).