@lproven @falken @popey why? What seems inplausible to you? Do you know how many dyslexics there are out there?

@ianturton @falken @popey Asking to see evidence, causation and correlation is not calling someone a liar.

@lproven @ianturton @popey it's the difference between "I'm turning that way, so need the indicators on that side" and "look to the left"

Imagine if you didn't have words for left/right. You could drive perfectly safely.

@lproven @falken @ianturton @popey What's implausible is generalizing that people who can't instantly discern between left and right are unsafe drivers who should stop driving.

I have a hard time with left and right and sometimes hold my hand up to see which hand draws an uppercase "L". But am I making life-or-death decisions based on having "left" or "right" in my head and needing to turn immediately, else I'll hit a pedestrian or cyclist? No. But somehow you imply that I do. Why would you think that? That's just crazy.

As far as being a good driver, I bet I'd kick your ass in driving. I can drive in Manhattan at full speed. I've driven more than 800,000 in my car and have never been in an accident that was my fault. Yet somehow you're an authority and are to be taken at your word that my inability to immediately know left from right means I'm such a bad driver that I should stop driving?

How absolutely childish does that sound?

@AnachronistJohn @ianturton @popey @falken I stand by it. As a lifelong cyclist and motorcyclist, I know very well that many people driving cars around the world are incompetent and should not be allowed to do so. The idea that driving is some kind of basic human right is absurd. I want to see far more stringent tests of skill and judgement, and all your special pleading is convincing me is that you are unfit. You've presented no evidence, just whined.

@lproven @AnachronistJohn @ianturton @popey I cycle! And I agree!

@lproven @ianturton @popey @falken You just changed the goalposts. Do many drivers, generally, suck? Yes! I fully agree, and being on their damned phones these days is only making things worse. As someone who has gotten hit by cars on my bicycle, I truly fear the distracted driver.

But we weren't talking about drivers in general, were we?

@AnachronistJohn @ianturton @popey @lproven you started it!

@AnachronistJohn @ianturton @popey @falken What I've learned from this thread is that apparently many dyslexics can't tell their left from their right, which was news to me. This means IMHO that they are unfit to drive. But they don't think so... No surprise there. So maybe this is one reason that there are so many terrible drivers out there.

@lproven @ianturton @popey @falken You're quick to lump people in to groups and make sweeping generalizations about those groups. Perhaps you should think before you do that.

Dyslexic people shouldn't drive? That's a strange stance to take, but you do you. Do you also think that nobody should drive in a country where they don't fluently understand the language?

@AnachronistJohn @ianturton @popey @falken Don't try to put words in my mouth. You are more than good enough at incriminating yourself without lying or trying to falsify evidence.

I have lived in several countries where I don't fluently speak the language. You *need* to know enough for road signs, yes. But that's not the point.

I have never previously cared about dyslexic drivers.

But I strongly believe that people who can't tell left from right should never be allowed to drive, yes. I stand by that. I said it and I meant it.

If you can't tell yours apart, 100% reliably every time, instantly, then *you* shouldn't.

@lproven @ianturton @popey @falken You want me to not put words in your mouth. Fair. Nobody likes that. But you haven't told me which words I've falsely attributed to you. You also haven't said what I've lied about, nor shown examples of me incriminating myself (which may be misdirection).

How about you don't attack the person and instead address what's in the discussion?

So let's look at this:

"What I've learned from this thread is that apparently many dyslexics can't tell their left from their right, which was news to me. This means IMHO that they are unfit to drive."

So you're saying dyslectic people, who you've lumped in with people who can't necessarily immediately discern between left and right, should not be allowed to drive. If so, why? Why did you bring up dyslexia? Is it because someone suggested that perhaps the person with the "L" and "R" might be dyslexic? Is speculation in a thread here all you need to "learn" about dyslexia? Or do you have any other sources?

I really don't understand you, and you don't seem to be doing a very good job of making yourself understood. You want to take a hard line position - that people who can't immediately discern left and right "should never be allowed to drive", but like so many people who are shit at arguing actual facts, you don't say why.

Is the reason that a sign might spring up that says, "LEFT!", and the momentary delay in processing that to figure out which way is actually left might cause someone to get in to an accident? Is the reason that someone else in the vehicle might yell, "LEFT!"? Is the reason that someone might look left but think right and do the wrong thing? In other words, you've got big words and big feelings, but you haven't articulated the actual thinking at all.

So why should people just take you at your word when you haven't explained it? Do you think if you act like enough of a bully, you'll win by attrition?

Try actually engaging using reasoning and deduction and by explaining your thinking, please. Otherwise, you're just a loud person on the Internet sharing rather dismissive feelings without much substance. We've already got enough of that and don't need more.

@AnachronistJohn @ianturton @popey @falken I took the time to find this to attempt to reply, but you are merely badly parodying what I am saying with no attempt to understand.

No, *I* am not conflating dyslexia with inability to tell L from R. Others are.

No, I am not saying dyslexics should not drive.

No, I am not saying people not fluent in local languages should not drive.

I said none of this. I don't know why you wanrt to make out I did.

I think you are psting in bad faith, maliciously misrepresenting me and my position, and I have no time for this BS.

Get lost.

@popey @ianturton @lproven @falken You can't discern the difference between someone saying you said a thing and someone asking you a question to clarify your stance?

I can't tell if you're trolling or if your reading comprehension really is that poor.

@ianturton @popey @lproven @falken To be fair to you, you never said that all dyslexic people should not drive - you just said people who can't discern left from right quickly, which might

@popey @lproven @ianturton @falken To be fair to you, you never said that all dyslexic people shouldn't drive, just those who can't quickly discern left from right quickly. I mistakenly failed to recognize the distinction.