@SamanthaJaneSmith 5s shutdown could be a capacitor gone bad, or needs a battery that's finally given up (if ones fitted)
Other one? Likely mechanical, belt or lube gone.
Have you opened them up for a look?
@SamanthaJaneSmith top first step. Even if you could see something like a bent arm or contact, it's probably going to need to come apart to fix anyway.
@falken Yeah, where to start though.... So many screws...lol
@SamanthaJaneSmith I go from big to small
@falken Well i got one of them open, at least half the case off...
@SamanthaJaneSmith progress!
@falken 🤣
@falken No I haven't as I was hoping it was something simple. The camcorder with wh 5s problem is powered by the mains adapter.
The other one: I kinda thought it might be was again hoping it was something simple. But it looks like I will have to look inside...