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@lerk@comm.network Opposite, because fewer dead people is better.
@ster @lerk@comm.network Why would I want to include suicide, that is a voluntary choice. If someone wants to kill themselves as sad as it might be that is their right.
@ster @lerk@comm.network of course, if someone is about to commit suicide you try to convince them not to. By all means, do that. A suicidal person may choose to jump from a tall building too, but we dont consider making tall buildings illegal a viable solution to that either.
@freemo @ster @lerk We put up safety barriers to discourage it. In some cases nets as well. It is difficult with tall buildings to avoid completely, but with guns we do have the ability to control them, so there's no reason not to. Also, suicidal people don't have a choice, they don't choose to commit suicide, they see no other option in front of them.
@iamduck @ster @lerk@comm.network You could avoid it. Lock access to the roof and make it illegal for any window above the first or second floor to be able to be opened. We can deprive every citizen int he world the ability to open their windows just in the off case someone somewhere is suicidal. Its a horrible solution, just like the argument around guns is a horrible one, but it can be done.
@ster @iamduck @lerk@comm.network What you jsut did is called a strawman.
Taking away peoples freedom to PROTECT themselves. NO ONE has a right to kill others, if you do so when you arent protecting yourself you go to jail for a very long time. You also knew this and it is an immature way to debate (though I do appreciate your opinions so I hope you wont continue down this path of discussion).
@ster @iamduck @lerk@comm.network If someone is about to kill you, or kill many people. Then incapacitating them, or even killing them, is protection. Sacraficing yourself would be a far worse ideal to follow I think.
You have to keep in mind not only do guns very often prevent murder, but the criminals who get shot often survive.
@ster @iamduck @lerk@comm.network A victim might survive as well yes. But a victim shouldnt have to take those chances, since it is not a victim's choices that led to the situation. If you attempt to put someone else's life at risk it is perfectly acceptable (to me) to have that risk turned back on you instead.
Of course there is also the fact that making guns illegal doesnt result in people actually not having guns. So the premise that we can just make them illegal and then its a guy with a knife vs a guy with a knife isnt really accurate, particularly with such easy access to the 3d printing of guns.
@freemo
Victims who get shot would survive as well. Other weapons do less damage to the human body, and therefore using them instead would mean less harm and sufferring overall
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